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Blood oxygen monitoring returning to Apple Watch in the US

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Post by burnerthrow008 »

FireBeyond wrote: post #231
burnerthrow008 wrote: post #202

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Sincere question for you: Do you actually believe that your employees belong to you?

No. That's why I framed those words. They're not taken, and they're not yours. I thought I was pretty clear that I felt the outcome for the employees was positive and that Apple's actions were actively deceptive. It was clear in the trial that Apple had zero intention of collaboration, licensing, or patent sharing and just used that as a pretense to "get in the room" and see who showed up on Masimo's side so they kne…

Got it, sorry, I misinterpreted what you were saying.

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Post by schiffern »

throwawayxcmz wrote: post #261
ekianjo wrote: post #259

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> steal IP if your IP is just lines on a patent you dont really have much moat in the first place.

If Apple wants to copy your IP, and you're in consumer electronics, you don't have a moat. You're done.

That's a problem, even if it only has the perception of being true.

Tomorrow's innovations in consumer electronics won't get funding as investors balk at the risk of getting Massimo'd.

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Post by kmeisthax »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #108

I never really understood why protecting Massimo in this situation was more important than allowing customers to access a feature in their watch. I get patent law is important, but they seemed more interested in rent-seeking from Apple than actually providing a desirable product that people could benefit from.

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Post by brewdad »

wat10000 wrote: post #266
StopDisinfo910 wrote: post #226

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Giving a pass to trillion dollars companies for them to just come next to something they are interested in, poach employees, steal IP and not give a dim to actual innovators sure will be a great incentive towards companies doing more R&D.

Employees are not game. They cannot be “poached.” That phrasing implies that they are property of the company that employs them. What you call “poaching” is just giving an offer to a person, and that person accepting the offer of their own free will. The idea that this is bad is absurd, and only serves to hurt regular people in favor of companies.

Better hope that Apple pays you really well for your sevices. In six months they won't need you anymore and your former employer will have been sure to burn all the bridges you thought were left.

I mean, get that money, but don't expect that you can make a career out of being poached repeatedly. If you're really that good, you probably could have done better working for yourself.

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Post by wat10000 »

brewdad wrote: post #274
wat10000 wrote: post #266

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Employees are not game. They cannot be “poached.” That phrasing implies that they are property of the company that employs them. What you call “poaching” is just giving an offer to a person, and that person accepting the offer of their own free will. The idea that this is bad is absurd, and only serves to hurt regular people in favor of companies.

Better hope that Apple pays you really well for your sevices. In six months they won't need you anymore and your former employer will have been sure to burn all the bridges you thought were left. I mean, get that money, but don't expect that you can make a career out of being poached repeatedly. If you're really that good, you probably could have done better working for yourself.

Regardless of whether it’s a bad idea, it’s a free choice of the person accepting or rejecting the offer. Describing it as “poaching” denies their agency and portrays employees as property of their employer.

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Post by goyagoji »

brewdad wrote: post #274
wat10000 wrote: post #266

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Employees are not game. They cannot be “poached.” That phrasing implies that they are property of the company that employs them. What you call “poaching” is just giving an offer to a person, and that person accepting the offer of their own free will. The idea that this is bad is absurd, and only serves to hurt regular people in favor of companies.

Better hope that Apple pays you really well for your sevices. In six months they won't need you anymore and your former employer will have been sure to burn all the bridges you thought were left. I mean, get that money, but don't expect that you can make a career out of being poached repeatedly. If you're really that good, you probably could have done better working for yourself.

Honor among thieves is an expression from before there was a group that treated honor as a fiduciary crime. If you are not one of the smaller number of engineers needed once the product is developed your best value in the market is to a series of competitors establishing the same features.

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Post by shazbotter »

neild wrote: post #29

In my experience, the Apple Watch blood oxygen monitoring was horribly inaccurate. It would report wildly variable results, often telling me that I had a blood oxygen level of 80% (which, if true, would indicate that I should be getting myself to an emergency room ASAP). Regular pulse oxygen meters are cheap and reliable.

Do you have tattoos? I find most sensors cannot read my vitals through my tattoos.

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Post by vkou »

QuinnyPig wrote: post #135
0cf8612b2e1e wrote: post #11

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I would be a bit more sympathetic if this was not about a trillion dollar company who poached some employees rather than engage in a licensing deal.

And then let their product lose the feature for multiple years rather than settling for some amount of money that was absolutely trivial to them.

It sets an example for the others.

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Post by vkou »

kylehotchkiss wrote: post #108

I never really understood why protecting Massimo in this situation was more important than allowing customers to access a feature in their watch. I get patent law is important, but they seemed more interested in rent-seeking from Apple than actually providing a desirable product that people could benefit from.

> I never really understood why protecting Massimo in this situation was more important than allowing customers to access a feature in their watch.

By that same logic, my landlord's interests and ownership of his property are categorically less important than allowing his tenants access to their apartments.

Which is, like, a way to structure a society, but is not the way that American society is structured.

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Post by anabab »

to11mtm wrote: post #248
geodel wrote: post #100

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Right. Somehow people here are struggling on how to pin blame on Apple even when developers are better off with Apple's offer. It is a great outcome for anyone who is developer. If in their world view "best developer salary is not always the best thing" one could have better reasoning for supporting little guy Massimo getting crushed by Apple.

On what level however? One of the biggest pain points I have had with the 'smartphone revolution' post Android/iOS is that almost every wearable/pocketable is a watch. nobody's trying new formats that could be useful!

huh?

There are smart rings and smart glasses on the market. Some fitness trackers have a necklace mode or can be put on shoe laces.

Watches are most popular likely because they are probably the most widespread accessory people already use.

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