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Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by SchemaLoad »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #256

The end of anonymity online basically means an end to the internet era itself. We will effectively be rewinding time to the 1980s, when the only news sources were controlled by oligopolies, and dissident voices were simply not given a platform. That might be fine in a world where every country is on-board, but now that the internet exists, countries with anonymous free speech will come out ahead. Here's a darker thou…

Crime was spiking in those decades because everyone was getting pumped full of lead. Not because they didn't have anonymous reddit.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by tomhow »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #128
throwaway89201 wrote: post #126

Please also fight mandatory age verification with prison sentences. The European Parliament has already voted in favor of a law that mandates age verification for pornography with a one year prison sentence. It was included as a last minute amendment into this bill [1]. See "Amendment 186". It has been completely missed by news organizations and even interest groups. The full accepted article reads: "Disseminating po…

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Please don't berate other community members on HN, no matter how right you are or feel you are. HN is for curious conversation, not battle. Please make an effort to observe the guidelines in future.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by SchemaLoad »

HelloUsername wrote: post #163
alphazard wrote: post #83

So what is the real solution? Meaning the solution that an individual could use themselves, without further coordination, to insulate themselves from this policy. Is it an Android distribution? Jailbreaking? Custom builds?

You ask a valid and clear question, sadly no one yet properly responded :( I'll try: using an app that can communicate without ever connecting to the internet? Such as: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/id6748584483

There is LoRaWAN with tech like Meshtastic which can send messages far further than wifi and bluetooth. Problem is the throughput is pretty limited. Only really useful for text messages within the same city.

Not sure any purely wireless system would scale that well either since every message floods the entire network. Ideally for wireless you just want wireless to the closest grid connected node to connect to the internet.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by croes »

mantas wrote: post #99
croes wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People don’t want change. If really someone gets the power who wants to change things they fight them too. People want that everything stays the same. Problem is climate change and other problems make change inevitable.

People don’t want change, yet politicians are pushing sleazy changes left and right. Change like straws ban and attached caps? Such change, wow.

That are alibi changes because the real necessary changes are too unpopular

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by croes »

mantas wrote: post #6
ath3nd wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They generally don't and won't stop until there are real repercussions for that, like losing your political career/being canceled in society over voting for it.

The problem is people behind the curtains will just pick another figure head. And we can’t even get the names who want to get rid of privacy. Since names of people pushing it were redacted for their privacy :D

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thorn_(organization)

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by wraptile »

phendrenad2 wrote: post #256

The end of anonymity online basically means an end to the internet era itself. We will effectively be rewinding time to the 1980s, when the only news sources were controlled by oligopolies, and dissident voices were simply not given a platform. That might be fine in a world where every country is on-board, but now that the internet exists, countries with anonymous free speech will come out ahead. Here's a darker thou…

> The end of anonymity online basically means an end to the internet era itself.

This would just end anonymity for normal people. All of the bots and bad actors will have no problem with comitting a crime because they are literally criminals.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by fc417fc802 »

ngruhn wrote: post #261
steve_taylor wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally support age verification for porn. However, age verification for almost anything else, e.g. Reddit, is a terrible idea.

Idk age restricting Instagram, TikTok etc. might be good for teenagers mental health.

I agree. If we have to have age verification laws I'd rather they be applied to social media networks over some size than to porn sites.

That said, I think requiring ID is generally a bad idea regardless. Much better would be some standardized way for websites to tag the type of content in a header coupled with third party filtering solutions that could be applied at the network (ie firewall) or device level.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by sunaookami »

ukprogrammer wrote: post #109

HN applauds this vibe-coded “privacy” site yet condemns decentralized messaging. States control what’s centralized; incentives ensure they keep doing so. Protesting it is like arguing with a thermostat—it can’t hear you, and it’s built to tighten control. As technologists, we have a lot more power than we realise. (Yes, I’m speaking to the blob, but the Venn overlap of anti-crypto and pro-this seems big.)

>decentralized messaging

This doesn't help, Chat Control scanner run directly on your device. It doesn't matter which chat program you use.

Re: Fight Chat Control

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Post by renewiltord »

Man am I glad I live in America. Despite everything, it's still the land of the free and the home of the brave. The federal system here means that the majority of weird shit happens at the state level.
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