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Lots of debian love in this thread and it's great to see. If you're so inclined I encourage you to donate to Debian. We're all better off the more support goes to an ecosystem and operation like Debian. https://www.debian.org/donations Not affiliated, just a happy user for a long, long time.
You can still use sysvinit, I've already tested servers and desktop builds. From my build box: chroot $MOUNTPOINT/ /bin/bash -c "http_proxy=$aptproxy apt-get -y --purge --allow remove-essential install sysvinit-core sysvinit-utils systemd-sysv- systemd-" There is a weird depends you cannot get around without simultaneously removing and installing in parallel. A Debian bug highlighted the above, with a "-" for systemd…
Why would you want to do this?
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Debian stable is just that - unchanging between major Debian versions. They do however push security updates when necessary, so you're not missing out on those
Any chance you know how they manage that? Surely not every package in the repos is supported for the entire 2 year cycle, so if a vuln comes out after a major refactor, it’s surely not easy to backport the patch.
https://security-tracker.debian.org/ https://security-team.debian.org/
Congratulations to the team--phenomenal work!
As an owner of two i386 systems (both netbooks built around Intel's Atom N270), that run Debian, I am a little sad. I understand the reasoning, and I won't deny it is a very niche platform by now. But I had hoped Debian, with a history of supporting a wide range of platforms, would keep i386 going for a while longer. Fortunately, bookworm will continue to receive updates for almost 3 years, so I am not in a hurry to…
Out of curiosity, what do you use these netbooks for?
So nothing critical. But something they are still good at, and being very small makes them a natural fit for these use cases.
As an owner of two i386 systems (both netbooks built around Intel's Atom N270), that run Debian, I am a little sad. I understand the reasoning, and I won't deny it is a very niche platform by now. But I had hoped Debian, with a history of supporting a wide range of platforms, would keep i386 going for a while longer. Fortunately, bookworm will continue to receive updates for almost 3 years, so I am not in a hurry to…
OpenBSD runs perfectly fine. Atom netbook, n270, 1GB of RAM, cwm+git dillo (plus DPI plugins), mpv+yt-dlp. My ~/.config/mpv/config: #inicio ytdl-format=bestvideo[height My ~/yt-dlp.conf #inicio de fichero --format=bestvideo[height For the rest, I use streamlink from virtualenv (I do the same with yt-dlp) with a wrapper at $HOME/bin: yt-dlp wrapper #!/bin/sh . $HOME/src/yt-dlp/bin/activate $HOME/src/yt-dlp/bin/yt-dlp…
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Are you confusing "386" with 32bit? 686 is the normal 32bit arch. 386 is something from the 1980's right?
When distros mention i386 support they often actually refer to i586 or i686, yes. True i386 support would mean compatible with the original Intel 386 processor from 1985. The 486 added a few additional instructions in 1989 but things really changed with the Pentium in 1993 - that gave us i586 which is the bare minimum for most modern software today. Much software can still run on regular Pentiums today if compiled fo…
Writing this from my Debian system, it's a great distro that has been excellent to me as a daily driver. I switched to Debian 6 after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. I like Debian's measured pragmatism with ideology, how it's a distro of free software by default but it also makes it easy to install non-free software or firmware blobs. I like Debian's package guidelines, I like dpkg, I lik…
> after Ubuntu went way downhill and haven't had cause to regret it. In what way Ubuntu went downhill?
The two things I can remember were problems with NFS out of the box (outside having to install nfs-common, which I'm fine with) and apt-cache not displaying descriptions of packages. There were lots of other, minor annoyances that affected people like me but wouldn't affect someone who got into Linux desktops after, say, 2010. My memory sucks though so those are the two I remember. Yes, there were bug reports filed and yes, they sat in the tracker for years with no attention from Ubuntu.
I wound up back on Debian once I got old enough that I didn't care about being behind the times a couple years.
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Buster is supported until June 2028.
Not by Debian it isn't. https://www.debian.org/releases/ Buster has not been supported by Debian for many years. Buster LTS was EOL last summer. Note that LTS is supported by volunteers via a non-profit, not Debian (though they do a good job). ELTS is paid support, again not by Debian. Do look at Debian's wiki for more info on support timeframes, and what LTS and ELTS means.
I see that systemd is still doing this thing where they are trying to strong-arm all Linux distros into arbitrary stuff that someone decided is the only right way to do something: > 5.2.2. systemd message: System is tainted: unmerged-bin systemd upstream, since version 256, considers systems having separate /usr/bin and /usr/sbin directories noteworthy. At startup systemd emits a message to record this fact: System…
Once I get the hypervisor systemd-free (no systemd on FreeBSD), I can then install a minimal distro in a VM mean to do containerization (like, say, the Talos Linux distro for K8s, that only has a few executables and they're all immutable) and then I can run containers that, by design, have something that is precisely not systemd as PID1.
So life is good: there's a systemd-free world at the end of the tunnel.