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Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by m4rtink »

hermitcrab wrote: post #34
trhway wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the people some Minecraft on steroids and they wouldn't notice how half-century flew by. Or those people of the past who would for generations not leave their village/county doing the same thing generation after generation.

I think the problems would come in the 2nd generation, who didn't choose to go on the mission.

So you just make it so they don't notice they are on an interstellar mission - sorry, to board the train to the capital you still need to fill in form XB1, but the officer who can fill it is on vacation (in the capital and the trains totally go somewhere!) - please come next cycle.

Basically an unhollo combination of Kafka and Truman show, keeping the community stable until arrival. :)

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by Zigurd »

The words "woman" or "women" appear zero times on this thread up to my composing this post. The word "female" appears once in the context of how to breed a next generation without any women.

That's why none of this is going to work. Is that blunt enough for you? Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships? Do you think maybe the tech industry still needs to do some work about gender equality, and the resulting quality of decision-making in tech management and investment?

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by m4rtink »

Ekaros wrote: post #177
AngryData wrote: post #141

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Provided the first generation volunteered, I expect the second generation would still be indoctrinate enough to the idea and mission to be fine, but the third generation would definitely be stirring some shit up.

Change the programming and go back. I wonder what reaction back here would be...

Not really possible for many mission profiles (e.g. if using target system star for braking or pre-programmed beamed propulsion) - so often that would not be an issue. ;-)

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by aplummer »

Zigurd wrote: post #272

The words "woman" or "women" appear zero times on this thread up to my composing this post. The word "female" appears once in the context of how to breed a next generation without any women. That's why none of this is going to work. Is that blunt enough for you? Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships? Do you think maybe the tech industry still needs to do some work about gender equ…

> Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships?

Isn’t submitting the proposal to a jury that is 40% women explicitly asking women?

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by m4rtink »

trhway wrote: post #47
hermitcrab wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think the problems would come in the 2nd generation, who didn't choose to go on the mission.

I think we even today have enough propaganda and religion experience to make sure that the next generations would be happy to see themselves as the chosen ones, etc. (small case in point - back in USSR we were happy that we were born in that wonderful country USSR and not in those decadent dangerous inhumane capitalist societies of the West where people were forced to struggle everyday to avoid becoming one of those…

Um, did anyone actually believe that in practice ? Of course, if you asked them, they would say so, to 105 socialistic percent, comrade!

Bur personal and in private, it was very different.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by ljlolel »

Zigurd wrote: post #272

The words "woman" or "women" appear zero times on this thread up to my composing this post. The word "female" appears once in the context of how to breed a next generation without any women. That's why none of this is going to work. Is that blunt enough for you? Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships? Do you think maybe the tech industry still needs to do some work about gender equ…

? The page doesn’t mention man either. It says people. Looks like nearly half the judges are women, and the top 2 winning entries look like majority women.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by Zigurd »

ljlolel wrote: post #276
Zigurd wrote: post #272

The words "woman" or "women" appear zero times on this thread up to my composing this post. The word "female" appears once in the context of how to breed a next generation without any women. That's why none of this is going to work. Is that blunt enough for you? Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships? Do you think maybe the tech industry still needs to do some work about gender equ…

? The page doesn’t mention man either. It says people. Looks like nearly half the judges are women, and the top 2 winning entries look like majority women.

Point taken, but I was referring to the sausage fest here

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by antisthenes »

Zigurd wrote: post #272

The words "woman" or "women" appear zero times on this thread up to my composing this post. The word "female" appears once in the context of how to breed a next generation without any women. That's why none of this is going to work. Is that blunt enough for you? Have any of you asked a woman about the utter insanity of generation ships? Do you think maybe the tech industry still needs to do some work about gender equ…

It's not going to work because the energy requirements of reaching another habitable planet through interstellar space are mind-bogglingly high.

You need to be able to run a fusion reaction in space, for 100+ years and have absolutely nothing in the system break or require maintenance.

Until you do this, these spaceship competitions are just fancy CGI renders.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by Apocryphon »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #161
Apocryphon wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Gravity is one of the four fundamental interactions (albeit the weakest one), perhaps trying to create it artificially is a bit beyond even hypothetical physics. Sounds like the latest suggestion for it is from 2016: https://www.sciencealert.com/a-mathematician-has-proposed-a-... > Now, Füzfa has shown, mathematically speaking, that by stacking large superconducting electromagnets we would be able to produce a very w…

Right, but in a fictional universe we aren't constrained by real world physics. Yet no "hard" takes on artificial gravity come to mind. I assume this is partly because any explanation would be difficult to work into an interesting narrative (unless you consider physics journal articles and mathematical equations interesting) and also because "simulating" the downstream impacts of changes at such a low level of physic…

> Yet no "hard" takes on artificial gravity come to mind.

Yeah, I’m just suggesting maybe there just haven’t been any hypothetical speculative physics concepts that could explain artificial gravity. At least with FTL we’ve got wormholes, the Alcubierre drive, zero-point energy, etc.

> any explanation would be difficult to work into an interesting narrative

With sci-fi people seem to like explanations of FTL well enough, both the soft fantastical kind and the hard speculative physics kind. I think artificial gravity just needs its own visual/conceptual equivalent to the going into hyperspace effect, or warping space, or stargate relays, etc.

But artificial gravity itself is indeed conceptually and perhaps literally “low” because it’s much more mundane than other aspects. You might as well explain it away by everyone wearing magnetized boots. Tractor beams / interdictors with gravity well projectors are neat, though.

Re: Project Hyperion: Interstellar ship design competition

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Post by [deleted] »

Ntrails wrote: post #218
abrenuntio wrote: post #203

No opinions on the ship itself, but the social proposals are very interesting :-) Earth biomes will be kept intact with respect to their natural evolution. But human society will be treated as an amoral engineering problem seeking to optimize a few measurable parameters chosen up front. There is little sense in this proposal that human beings will bring along with them original sin or whatever you want to call it. Bu…

> taking a group of volunteers to Antarctica to format them to a supposed sociocultural blank slate I'd love to see an actual blueprint for making this work. I don't believe in it at all. > They are not just governed with "mere" discipline Unclear to me what discipline exists. There's no mention of crime and punishment or enforcement. It seems assumed that you'll have indoctrinated everyone sufficiently to not need i…

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