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Re: Palantir is extending its reach even further into government

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Post by thechao »

throwaway290 wrote: post #248
hopelite wrote: post #209

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I am not sure what government you are thinking of, but not in the US government. There are some trimmings and some consolidation that may shift people and function in or under something else, but the programs, as generally defined by activities (because the nature of a “program” often morphs over time, even if everything else remains the same) basically never really get shut down anymore, if ever. There may be a loss…

Didn't trump/doge just shut a ton of them?

Nothing that spends a lot of money on the scale of the Fed. Just low cost culture war stuff.

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Post by jacquesm »

rayiner wrote: post #117
guelo wrote: post #97

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The Great MAGA Cultural Revolution has shifted the overton window enough among right wing elite that anti democracy propaganda is now strong and spreading. But it's still our foundation, "we the people" and all that. If the right keeps pushing dictators I see a civil war in our future.

The MAGA cultural revolution fundamentally is an opposition to Wilsonianism and liberal universalism. That's why MAGA's authoritarian impulses are directed to the organs of Wilsonianism--such as executive agencies permanently captured by one party--rather than the public at large.

It is an opposition to reality.

I had really hoped that by now you'd have seen that the things that you voted for and hoped to see come to pass are not the universal sweet that you thought they would be. But all I see is that every time more news about the disastrous political direction that USA has taken is that you shift your goalposts with it and declare that this too is what you wanted. As a dad of bi-racial kids I would be super worried that those chickens would come home to roost. These are not just paper games and plenty of people who thought their situation in the USA was a safe as houses - and who voted for Trump - have seen that assumption invalidated.

But as they say: a conservative is a liberal with a daughter.

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Post by stephen_g »

throwawayoldie wrote: post #132
TriangleEdge wrote: post #65

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Ex FDE here. Part of Palantir's pitch for Foundry back in the day is connecting disparate databases from agencies that don't collaborate well. They're also really good at getting demos up and running in a few days. The tech was good back when I was employed. They get hate because support war efforts / police / intelligence. They do 5 year contracts with the govt then bump the prices once they're sticky, like a J curv…

> They get hate because support war efforts / police / intelligence. Right. That's exactly why they get hate. So what's the problem with that?

Sounds like the poster is saying we should also hate them for scamming everyone out of their country/state/municipality’s public money by jacking up the price of contracts once they hook them in?

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Post by woodrowbarlow »

rayiner wrote: post #135
woodrowbarlow wrote: post #112

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hmm. i read the whole thing and i'm not sure the point you're making. in the first paper, Wilson points out: * it is better for government to own its own infrastructure than to depend on private business -- and if the government must depend on business, he stresses the government should be in a position to exert control over the business. * it is easier for a monarchy to initiate administrative efficiencies than a de…

It's in your own summary, in your own words: > * it is easier for a monarchy to initiate administrative efficiencies than a democracy, therefore great care must be taken to design administrative policies without inadvertently introducing popular sovereignty. Wilson believed in "scientific governance" over popular sovereignty. He was unpersuaded that America's diverse electorate could efficiently govern itself, so sou…

i think i see the picture you're painting now. thanks for elaborating; i'll do more reading.

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Post by bpt3 »

_Algernon_ wrote: post #206
bpt3 wrote: post #141

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The founding fathers and many others would disagree. Based on human history, your assessment of the average human's level of integrity and reasoning is irrationally optimistic. Also, I assume you meant to say "Direct democracy is a representative democracy where each person *is* a representative."

It doesn't matter because everyone only has to represent themselves so they don't really need to have integrity or ability to reason in some larger sense, they just have to be selfish — which is a lot easier than reasoning your way to what maximizes societal good, or some average of the opinions of the 100'000+ people you are supposedly representing. And the amount of power an individual has is negligible so a bad vo…

You realize that a certain "institution" would have died out much slower (if at all) in the US if what you said was accurate?

I think that's the only example needed to prove that direct democracy is not a desirable form of government, let alone the ideal.

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Post by shazbotter »

Y-bar wrote: post #171
bdisl wrote: post #167

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That is a lot of typing for a massive strawman that is more likely to belong in Reddit than here.

I understood your comment as restricting my own freedoms was a fully bad thing, and I therefore tried to provide examples of positive freedoms being afforded to you by restricting my own negative freedoms. Explain why that is a straw-man.

It's not, you refuted their obviously poorly constructed argument directly. They just have an ideological axe to grind.

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Post by amalcon »

rayiner wrote: post #180
guelo wrote: post #164

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> that these institutions were permanently controlled by Democrats the lies is what got us here

Not only is it true, it's not even debatable. 84% of federal employee campaign contributions went to Kamala Harris: https://www.govexec.com/workforce/2024/11/federal-employees-... . If you exclude DOD, it's like 90%. In State and Commerce, it was like 95%. To put that into context, replacing the federal workforce with random voters from AOC's district in New York City would double the percentage of Republicans! ( htt…

This is perhaps confounded somewhat by the fact that Trump's platform included mass layoffs of federal workers. Trump, contrary to past Republicans even, represented an existential threat to the livelihood of every federal worker.

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Post by NoMoreNicksLeft »

grafmax wrote: post #231
NoMoreNicksLeft wrote: post #228

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>People who aren’t trespassers They very much are trespassers. They're not citizens, therefor they have no legal right to be here. We issue visas, but we reserve the right to revoke those without notice or for that matter right to appeal. We're removing them from property that is not theirs. Punishment would be additional to that, but perversely would require that they remain here for the punishment, so people like m…

The issue with suspending due process is you can’t tell if any of these accusations are true. Is this or that victim of ICE really a “trespasser”? Without due process you can’t know that. All you have are accusations and punishment. A place of mass detention without due process: that’s the definition of a concentration camp.

>The issue with suspending due process is you can’t tell if any of these accusations are true.

None of the detainees are claiming citizenship. Due process is only violated if they claim citizenship and ICE ignores them. One might think that even someone ignorant of the law might start babbling "you can't do this, I'm a citizen" or similar.

They know the score. They know they're not. Now if only the left would clue in too.

>and punishment.

What punishment? Not all legal remedies are punishment. No criminal charges are levied. No one intends to incarcerate them (hell, that would mean they get to stay). They're just being deported.

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Post by throwawayoldie »

stephen_g wrote: post #273
throwawayoldie wrote: post #132

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> They get hate because support war efforts / police / intelligence. Right. That's exactly why they get hate. So what's the problem with that?

Sounds like the poster is saying we should also hate them for scamming everyone out of their country/state/municipality’s public money by jacking up the price of contracts once they hook them in?

OK, agreed, there's at least two good reasons.
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