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Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by pklausler »

yadiyadiyadi wrote: post #221
dandanua wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's ok, USA doesn't need mathematicians after the AGI is built. If you need to compute something just ask AGI. The subscription, of course, will cost you multiple lifetimes' worth of the minimum working wage (luckily you could take a credit that will be payed off by multiple generations of your descendants), but you know, the progress can't be stopped!

You know... yesterday, I asked Google if Arnold Schwarzenegger was the tallest Mr Olympia of all time at 6'2. Their AI assistant told me that, no, he was not the tallest as there were several Mr Olympias who were taller at 5'5, 5'6 and 5'7. Just now? "No, Arnold Schwarzenegger is not the tallest Mr. Olympia. While he is a well-known and successful bodybuilder, his height is 6'2" (1.88m), which is not the tallest amon…

The physician's assistant recorded my height last week as 5'13". I'm worried now about "I" in general, not just "AI".

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by fc417fc802 »

nyeah wrote: post #156
te_chris wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Trump got less votes last time than when he lost to Biden. The democrats lost, trump didn’t win. People stayed home.

Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though. There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in…

> completely forgotten

More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by insane_dreamer »

roenxi wrote: post #134
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

Additional Background: US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run. Over the years I've come to accept the blind spot most people have where, despite all evidence, they assume that the government goals match their own. But it still isn't the case. The prudent approach is to set up institutions that are largely independent of government. Government fundin…

> US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run.

Pray tell where are the examples from previous administrations of how billions of dollars in funding was yanked or suspended from multiple colleges until they paid "settlement fees" just to make it go away and get their funding restored, without even any due process.

Yes, the gov have always exercised some pressure on institutions or shifting funding towards their priorities. But no one but Trump has engaged in blatant mafia-style extortion.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by chickenzzzzu »

ndsipa_pomu wrote: post #196
chickenzzzzu wrote: post #143

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What you are describing seems to me to be a direct side effect of centralization. If the USA was just one country in a sea of two hundred roughly equal countries, the majority would quickly say "we will not allow that person to be a leader". But since the USA is basically the world's richest and most powerful entity, the rest of the word begrudgingly tolerates the leader that has somehow come to power, simply because…

I disagree - we have a general principle around the world that a democratically elected "leader" is the result of the votes from the population and thus should be recognised at representing those people. The problem is when democracy is subverted with various methods such as gerrymandering districts, making it harder for some demographics to vote, removing voter registrations of certain demographics, misrepresentatio…

And why was it possible for that rigging to occur? It sounds like a cop out, but the answer is once again centralization. The operation you described requires money, time, power, coercion, and so on. Isn't that a result of a two party system funded by a few hundred insanely wealthy individuals?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by insane_dreamer »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #240
853c2b2b wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> won his 3rd election Really - I think that more or less confirms your bias.

Reads as "won the 3rd election in which he has participated". Your assumptions betray your own.

no, it does not read as that

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by guelo »

lupusreal wrote: post #78
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

> Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Translation: ULCA declined to violate the First Ammendment and allowed their students and faculty to criticize Israel.

Which isn't even true, UCLA came down hard on protesters and they did violate the students 1st amendment rights.

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by insane_dreamer »

mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

> settles the issue

pays an extortion fee; lets call it what it is

once Columbia capitulated, it was clear Trump would come after everyone else

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by nyeah »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #272
nyeah wrote: post #156

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good point. I'm not convinced that support for Israel was the issue, though. There are lunatics in the US who seem to have completely forgotten the 1300-1400 Israelis killed by Hamas just last year, but who can see the human disaster in Gaza. I don't think those people are so politically engaged on that single issue that they deliberately stayed home from the polls and let Trump win ... in order to ... help people in…

> completely forgotten More like the two things aren't even remotely in the same ballpark. Imagine if the US had surrounded Baghdad and intentionally starved the residents. And even that example still fails to account for some of the context.

Sorry? Do you not remember Fallujah?

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by insane_dreamer »

fuzzfactor wrote: post #46
epistasis wrote: post #3

The past year has been utter chaos, madness, and sadness for STEM in the US. I hope that Tao's grad students don't suffer from this too much in the immediate term. In the long term, all science is being harmed greatly, and we are causing a gigantic bubble in the pipeline of the production of scientists, most severely damaging those who are graduating soon.

>most severely damaging those who are graduating soon. When Nixon was getting ready for his recession it was pretty bad too.

Nixon is starting to look like a saint these days

Re: NSF has suspended Terry Tao's grant

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Post by rickydroll »

roenxi wrote: post #134
mensetmanusman wrote: post #21

Background: UCLA violated the Equal Protection Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment and Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, "by acting with deliberate indifference in creating a hostile educational environment for Jewish and Israeli students." Outcome: These grants are likely in a temporary holding pattern until ucla settles the issue.

Additional Background: US government provides funding, US government tries to use that leverage to decide how the show will be run. Over the years I've come to accept the blind spot most people have where, despite all evidence, they assume that the government goals match their own. But it still isn't the case. The prudent approach is to set up institutions that are largely independent of government. Government fundin…

He has only won two elections. In the first one, he lost the popular vote but won the electoral vote. In the second one, he did win the popular vote by 1.5%, which is hardly a convincing margin.

You're right, Trump is not a weird aberration; he's a natural progression of the Republican Party since at least Barry Goldwater in the early 1960s. I never thought I would live to see the John Birch Society go from radical crazies to mainstream

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