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Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by quintu5 »

dmonitor wrote: post #250
OptionOfT wrote: post #203

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Same with Reddit. They have their own share sheet, and then 'other' which goes to the iOS built-in one. I wish Apple was more strict on this. There is no reason for them to have their own. Same with the photo viewer. I love the iOS photo viewer, it allows me to select text directly to copy it etc, but Reddit needs to use their own. On the other hand, it should be possible for me to set up a default photo viewer.

My guess is that the custom share sheet lets reddit see what services users are sharing to

It also gives them a hook apply a watermark to the shared image.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by cosmic_cheese »

lern_too_spel wrote: post #244
bitpush wrote: post #237

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I admire your skill in bringing up, and distracting everyone with Google in a post about Apple's shenanigans. No love lost for Google, but wasnt expecting to read about Google as a top comment on Apple thread.

Especially because the thing he's complaining about doesn't happen on Android. Why? Probably because Android supported setting a default browser app from the beginning, while iOS forced all links to open in Safari by default.

I’m not sure the default browser setting is nearly as relevant here as how Chrome is conveniently the default browser on the overwhelming majority of Android devices, and it’s rare for users to change that.

If Android shipped with Firefox or Vivaldi or something as its default browser, I’d bet anything that Google’s Android apps would do the exact same Chrome-pushing as their iOS apps.

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by eddythompson80 »

technimad wrote: post #148
pxeger1 wrote: post #113

Relatedly, all Google apps (e.g. Maps) on iOS try very hard to push Chrome on you (even though iOS Chrome still has to use WebKit). When you click an external link, they present you the options of Chrome, Google (the search app), or Safari. This happens even if you don't have Chrome/Google installed, so they take you to the App Store instead of opening the webpage. If you choose Safari, it still doesn't open Safari,…

As a user I don’t get why Apple allows this user hostile behavior in an app they distribute in their app store.The platform has alternatives. iOS has a sharing sheet. iOS has a default browser setting (in EU).

Yes, Apple should start rejecting apps with bad UX. However Apple defines bad is good for me /s

Re: Apple's Browser Engine Ban Persists, Even Under the DMA

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Post by Yeul »

gjsman-1000 wrote: post #164
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #159

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Hear me out, I have a tinfoil hat theory. What if, those requirements weren't put to help small shops making a new browser, but to guarantee the big shops who already have a browser are getting fined? * hits bong *

And this is why the EU's GDP versus the US is now only 65% and shrinking. The regulations are about beating US companies into compliance, sometimes with righteous motives; but there's no forethought on how a domestic EU startup might be able to comply, or how a startup would convince investors to take the gamble.

No they are about improving the lives of EU citizens.

America doesn't give a flying fuck about it's people it puts corporations first.

Now I don't judge every nation has it's own culture.

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Post by fkyoureadthedoc »

resource_waste wrote: post #262
fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #160

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It's the unfortunate truth. Nobody gives a shit about Firefox, not even Mozilla. Safari is the only major non chromium browser. You get rid of it and Google basically has full control of web standards and we've come full circle.

Oh its 'true' but does the pain of having to use Safari make up for some sort of benefit of having a non-chrome browser? I really appreciate that you sacrifice your happiness in favor of Apple profits so I can have multiple browsers competing against chrome. Thank you.

I daily use Safari on MacOS and iOS, and regularly use Edge on MacOS and Windows 11. I really don't notice a difference, other than I find the dev tools in Chromium browsers more familiar and overall better.

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Post by Eisenstein »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #268
Eisenstein wrote: post #264

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Labor is absolutely the bottleneck. You can come up with as many billion dollar ideas as you like, but without people to pay for them, where does the income come from? Economies grown because money flows, it gets invested, and that investment creates income, which goes to the workers and owners, and gets spent again. With fewer people, it doesn't matter how rich some of them get, the entire economy will slow down, be…

>Labor is absolutely the bottleneck. Question: Europe has had an open door migration policy since at least 2015 and taken millions of migrants, especially Italy and Greece. Why haven't all those migrants turned EU's or Italy or Greece's economies into a powerhouse and built US big-tech competitors here? Same question for Canada. When is that magic economic growth from population growth coming? Answer: Because US inve…

I was responding to a specific aspect regarding population and labor, I am not an expert on Europe. I would like to say, though, that starting with a conclusion and working backwards from it is a really terrible way to proceed with a hypothesis.

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Post by Yeul »

danaris wrote: post #225
stockresearcher wrote: post #201

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I have two comments: First, I believe that you are correct in that small enterprises are not going to be fined out of existence (unless they continually fail to adhere to CRA requirements). The issue is that if you want to make a browser in the EU, you have to be extremely serious about it. Second, you are quoting from the section of the act that the EU uses to lay out their reasoning, justification, and thought proc…

> if you want to make a browser in the EU, you have to be extremely serious about it. Why is this a problem? No, really; why is it a bad thing that if you want to create a complete new browser, you have to actually be serious and committed to it? A web browser is a pretty significant piece of software, and it sits between you and the entire web . You do your banking through it. You access your email through it. You b…

For the record you can still put your meme browser on F-droid and let people download it.

It just won't be in any Android default list.

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Post by resource_waste »

fkyoureadthedoc wrote: post #275
resource_waste wrote: post #262

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Oh its 'true' but does the pain of having to use Safari make up for some sort of benefit of having a non-chrome browser? I really appreciate that you sacrifice your happiness in favor of Apple profits so I can have multiple browsers competing against chrome. Thank you.

I daily use Safari on MacOS and iOS, and regularly use Edge on MacOS and Windows 11. I really don't notice a difference, other than I find the dev tools in Chromium browsers more familiar and overall better.

You are happy to sacrifice your freedom and you don't notice a difference?

Have you considered you are just rationalizing your condition rather than having a genuine take?

Its easier to cope with the idea that you've chosen this 'freedom', than to realize you don't have it.

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Post by [deleted] »

ec109685 wrote: post #218
rafaelmn wrote: post #66

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Google has an incentive to make everything work through the web. Safari has the incentive to gatekeep the app store revenue, which is why PWAs are a joke on iOS. Google also has bad incentives (Android, ads) but Safari is the IE6 of modern web.

Are PWA’s better and more popular on Android?

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