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The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #228

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Google Buzz is a better example

Was it that one or Google Wave that was supposed to become the dominant form of communication within 5 years? I don't remember much about either one.

Google Wave is tangential to slack, discord, Facebook groups, and Whatsapp communities, arguably reddit communities...

So they may have been on to something

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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> I’ve seen employees spend days drafting documents that a free tool like Mistral could generate in seconds, leaving them 30-60 minutes to review and refine. What I have seen is employees spending days asking the model again and again to actually generate the document they need, and then submit it without reviewing it, only for a problem to explode a month later because no one noticed a glaring absurdity in the middl…

You're describing incompetence or laziness—I’ve encountered those kinds of people as well. But I’ve also seen others who are 2-3 times more productive thanks to AI. That said, I’m not suggesting AI should be used for every single task, especially if the output is garbage. If someone blindly relies on AI without adding any real value beyond typing prompts, then they’re not contributing anything meaningful.

> incompetence or laziness [...] If someone blindly relies on AI

That's basic human behavior and AI won't fix this. It will only make it worse, and that's my main gripe with AI.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #25

>Everybody wanted the Internet. I don't think this is true. A lot of people had no interest until smartphones arrived. Doing anything on a smartphone is a miserable experience compared to using a desktop computer, but it's more convenient. "Worse but more convenient" is the same sales pitch as for AI, so I can only assume that AI will be accepted by the masses too.

I’m not even sure it’s the right question. No one knew what the long term effects of the internet and mobile devices would be, so I’m not surprised people thought it was great. Cocoa leaves seemed pretty amazing at the beginning as well. But mobile devices especially have changes society and while I don’t think we can ever put the genie back in the bottle, I wish that we could. I suspect I’m not alone.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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Having seen the almost rabid and fearful reactions of product owners first hand around forcing AI into every product, it’s because all these companies are in panic mode. Many of these folks are not thinking clearly and have no idea what they’re doing. They don’t think they have time to think it through. Doing something is better than nothing. It’s all theatre for their investors coupled with a fear of being seen as f…

Companies that don't invent the car get to go extinct. This is the next great upset. Everyone's hair is on fire and it's anybody's ball game. I wouldn't even count the hyperscalers as certain to emerge victorious. The unit economics of everything and how things are bought and sold might change. We might have agents that scrub ads from everything and keep our inboxes clean. We might find content of all forms valued at…

> agents that scrub ads from everything

This is called an ad blocker.

> keep our inboxes clean

This is called a spam filter.

The entire parent comment is just buzzword salad. In fact I am inclined to think it was written by an LLM itself.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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> It's because the integrations with existing products are arbitrary and poorly thought through, the same way that software imposed by executive fiat in BigCo offices for trend-chasing reasons has always been. It's just rent-seeking. Nobody wants to actually build products for market anymore; it's a long process with a lot of risk behind it, and there's a chance you won't make shit for actual profit. If however you c…

This is not an AI problem, this is a problem caused by extremely large piles of money. In the past two decades we have been concentrating money in the hands of people who did little more than be in the right place at the right time with a good idea and a set of technical skills, and then told them that they were geniuses who could fix human problems with technological solutions. At the same time we made it impossible…

Couldn’t agree more. The problem is when the party is over, and another round of centralizing wealth and power is done, we’ll be no wiser and have learnt nothing. Look at the debate today, it’s (1) people who think AI is useful, (2) people who think it’s hype and (3) people who think AI will go rogue. It’s like the bank robbers put on a TV and everyone watches it while the heist is ongoing.

Only a few bystanders seem to notice the IP theft and laundering, the adversarial content barriers to protect from scraping, the centralization of capital within the owners of frontier models, the dial-up of the already insane race to collect personal data, the flooding of every communication channel with AI slop and spam, and the inevitable impending enshittification of massive proportions.

I’ve seen the sausage get made, enough to know the game. They’re establishing new dominance hierarchies, with each iteration being more cynical and predatory, each cycle refined to optimally speedrun the rent seeking value extraction. Yes, there are still important discussions about the tech itself. But it’s the deployment that concerns everyone, not hypothetically, but right now.

Exhibit A: social media. In hindsight, what was more important: the core technologies or the business model and deployment?

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #115

I also find these features annoying and useless and wish they would go away. But that's not because LLMs are useless, nor because the public isn't using them (as daishi55 pointed out here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=44479578 ) It's because the integrations with existing products are arbitrary and poorly thought through, the same way that software imposed by executive fiat in BigCo offices for trend-chasing…

> It's because the integrations with existing products are arbitrary and poorly thought through, the same way that software imposed by executive fiat in BigCo offices for trend-chasing reasons has always been. It's just rent-seeking. Nobody wants to actually build products for market anymore; it's a long process with a lot of risk behind it, and there's a chance you won't make shit for actual profit. If however you c…

> if OpenAI fails, we get tons of useless tech injected into software products already creaking under the weight of so much bullhockety, and if they succeed, huge swaths of employees will be let go from entry level jobs

I think this is the key idea. Right now it doesn't work that well, but if it did work as advertised, that would also be bad.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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That value (of one company) is from speculative investment. I don't think it negates that the field has a perception problem. After seeing something like blockchain run completely afoul/used for the wrong things and embraced by the public for it, I at least agree that AI has a value perception problem.

How does speculative investment get 500m DAU?

I dunno, how did Juicero get $120m?

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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post #252

It's annoying having AI features force fed I imagine but it's come about due to many of the public liking some AI - apparently ChatGPT now has 800 million weekly users ( https://www.digitalinformationworld.com/2025/05/chatgpt-stat... ) and then competing companies think they should try to keep up. I say I imagine it's annoying because I've yet to actually be annoyed much but I get the idea. I actually quite like the…

In two months they've doubled MAUs? Without an explanation of that specific outcome I don't believe it.

Also:

> As per SimilarWeb data 61.05% of ChatGPT's traffic comes from YouTube, which means from all the social media platforms YouTube viewers are the largest referral source of its user base,

That's deeply suspect.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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I honestly can’t think of reasons to use AI. At work I have to give myself reminders to show my bosses that I used the internal ai tool so I don’t get in shit. I don’t see the utility, all I see is slop and constant notifications in google. You can say skill issue but that’s kind of the point; this was all dropped on me by people who don’t understand it themselves. I didn’t ask or want to built the skills to understa…

One recent thing I did was make cute little illustrations for an internal slide deck. I’m not even taking work away from an artist, there was no universe where I would have paid someone to do this, but now every presentation I give can be much more visually engaging than they would have been previously. The reason your bosses are being obnoxious about making people use the internal AI tool is to push them into thinki…

> now every presentation I give can be much more visually engaging than they would have been previously

What about the impact on your audience? A lot of people are going to view your presentations more negatively based on their views about AI.

Re: The force-feeding of AI features on an unwilling public

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I am moderately hyped for AI, but I treat these corporate intrusions into my workflows the same as ads or age verification, pointing uBlock to elements which are easy to point-and-click block, and making quick browser plugins and Tampermonkey scripts for things like Google to intercept my web searches and redirect them from the All/AI search page. -And if I can, it does amuse me to have Gemini write the plugins to block Google ads/inconveniences.
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