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Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Couldn't imagine what Mozilla would be like today if he stayed around and tried to integrate crypto. At the end of the day, main post shows Firefox engineering is keeping up with Chrome which is a feat no other browser has accomplished.

For the record I also dislike the top brass at Mozilla for the same reasons I dislike Eich - trendchasing instead of making a good browser. Firefox is succeeding because of the engineers and despite the c-suite.

> Firefox is succeeding because of the engineers

By what metric is Firefox succeeding?

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It’s the rational option if someone is giving you something for less than it costs you and the moral implications of the action is minimal (at best).

Probably the most HN-coded response I can imagine to someone asking why you would possibly want 12 vacuum cleaners.

Who knows. I have lots of siblings and my spouse does as well, so that’s nine vacuums accounted for. Add in both sets of parents and I’d have one left over to gift to someone who also needs one.

I’m not sure how to take your comment other than uncharitably so I’ll just concede that you obviously have smaller dust collection needs than I do.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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> At least for what I buy from aliexpress, it hasn’t been infiltrated by fake reviews. Aliexpress just fake it themselves. Search for anything, sort by the number of orders, open the product page for the first result. Next to the number of sales there's going to be a tooltip saying "Sales and ratings are calculated based on all identical products from the platform." Under reviews there's going to be a message saying…

I’ve never bought from AliExpress, but I’m pretty sure everyone does this. Customers are mostly looking for product reviews, not reviews on sellers. For example, take a mouse from Logitech. Even if five sellers sell the product, it’s better to show product reviews for every item. Isn’t that so?

This doesn't work unless you have someone verifying that products from both sellers are identical. Seller A could be selling real logitech gear and seller B could be selling clones, as is common on poorly policed markets like Amazon and Aliexpress.

And most of the products I've seen "grouped" in this way haven't had identifiable branding, they were just generic functional products like "heat shrink", or "M4x20 screws".

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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> I literally asked very politely against a random sampling of all orders if they would consider leaving us a review Uh, this is how it's supposed to work? Make a good product, get good reviews for free. "Make a crappy / mediocre product and pay people to write good reviews" is completely different.

Good product? Oh lord no. I just got to people before they could figure out it was bad. Note: I did not last long in this business before hitting the eject button.

I mean, that's a different issue. When you asked them, they were happy, they gave good feedback.

I wonder if reviews should have a field for "how long have I owned it" (or even "about when did I buy it", to track changes in manufacturing quality). Places like TrustPilot would probably benefit from coming back to people and saying, "Here's a review you wrote a year ago; anything you want to add?"

Manufacturers could even submit an "expected lifespan", and reviews could be marked where they were made within that lifespan. A bad review after 7 years of owning a 5-year product shouldn't count as much as a bad review 7 years after owning a 10-year product.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Leave honest reviews (not saying you're not) and don't feel dirty. You'd actually be helping.

They were mostly honest - I just always included something like 'an upgrade from my last one' but these clones are all so similar and all effective. Can do the whole house on a single charge, strong enough, has the low projecting light to highlight dust, high number of attachments. Does the job. I'm no vacuum connoisseur (Which you think I'd be after all of these) but none were scammy products.

Ah, I was looking at a Dyson a while back, and wondering if they were worth buying. Went for something else in the end, as I thought they were a bit pricey for what they offered, and didn't dare go for a clone.

Would you happen to have a link to the model you got (or one of the similar models), to get an idea of which clone could be worth considering next time?

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It’s fun to be outraged but a more nuanced read is that Amazon is stuck battling all kinds of fraud and it can be hard to differentiate. They also have a massive problem with fake bad reviews where a competitor spams competing products to try to increase sales of their own. They have so many flavors of fraud that it’s very hard to get it right consistently at scale. Not am Amazon fan, and please let’s not do the Redd…

The problem is that they have an obvious incentive to err on the side of positive reviews. Because if every product on the site has a 1 star review few people will buy anything. But if most of them have 5 stars people will be much more eager to purchase.

For a one-shot game, sure.

But when people buy a 5-star product that sucks and return it, Amazon loses money.

Amazon is better off having low ratings for products that are returned more.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It’s fun to be outraged but a more nuanced read is that Amazon is stuck battling all kinds of fraud and it can be hard to differentiate. They also have a massive problem with fake bad reviews where a competitor spams competing products to try to increase sales of their own. They have so many flavors of fraud that it’s very hard to get it right consistently at scale. Not am Amazon fan, and please let’s not do the Redd…

> It’s fun to be outraged but a more nuanced read is that Amazon is stuck battling all kinds of fraud and it can be hard to differentiate. Well that's on Amazon then. They could go the Walmart route and enforce in-house random testing on the stuff they sell. Walmart, for all the rightful hate they get, Aldi, Lidl, Costco, Coop, they all have very strict and extensive negotiations for purchase, and they can, do and wi…

I thought I was pretty clear that I wasn’t excusing them, just correcting a naive misconception around “why don’t they just allow all negative reviews”.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Couldn't agree more. After the founder of the company itself Brendan Eich was fired it only went downhill

Brendan Eich was fired for opposing gay marriage, then went on to create Brave, which is yet another Chromium wrapper just with bad crypto monetization and other scummy practices.

>Brendan Eich was fired for opposing gay marriage

This gets really tiresome to rebuke. He supported a proposition that was supported by the MAJORITY of the citizens at the time and that was already six years old when we became Mozilla CEO. Some people wrote hit pieces even though he even distanced himself from it. He was not fired, he stepped back voluntarily.

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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Good product? Oh lord no. I just got to people before they could figure out it was bad. Note: I did not last long in this business before hitting the eject button.

I mean, that's a different issue. When you asked them, they were happy, they gave good feedback. I wonder if reviews should have a field for "how long have I owned it" (or even "about when did I buy it", to track changes in manufacturing quality). Places like TrustPilot would probably benefit from coming back to people and saying, "Here's a review you wrote a year ago; anything you want to add?" Manufacturers could e…

> I mean, that's a different issue. When you asked them, they were happy, they gave good feedback.

The point remains that you don't need to "buy" reviews. You don't need to give out coupons, or gift cards, or rewards or in fact anything. Hence why I said "it's not that complicated" as per:

> You've got stores that would include a $5-$20 coupon/gift card in the item in exchange for a positive review.

Why pay for what you can get for free?

Re: Fakespot shuts down today after 9 years of detecting fake product reviews

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It was falling behind. The dodgy stores were getting more creative and Fakespot needed to play catch up. You've got stores that would include a $5-$20 coupon/gift card in the item in exchange for a positive review. Sure, this didn't 1:1 translate but if a user did it would look like a legitimate review. You've got a plethora of LLMs out there just itching to GENERATE. Then an expensive option I was suprised happened…

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