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Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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No, you are simply gaslighting and being called out.

Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.

See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Polls != 'strongest' party. You need actual power for that latter label. Which is not far off for the AfD, but really not there right now. If/when the coalition starts infighting, then…

I’m not sure what to say. We can talk about the exact meaning of the words, but it doesn’t really matter. I’m not saying AfD is good or bad, just telling you the facts. AfD surpassed CDU (not the union!) in the latest polls. In the last elections they “won” in east Germany. You can’t block a party, if half the country votes for it. Let’s see what’s coming.

I'm not even disagreeing, just right now the AfD does not have actual power yet. They cannot make federal laws or decide policy.

They probably will be able to do that either after the next election or after the government coalition collapses.

But as of now all they can do is b*tch and moan.

Btw, who says you can't block a party just because half the country voted for them? You can't wish the sentiment away, yes, but you can totally force them to rebuild the party infrastructure. Again and again, if needed, if they keep making an illegal extremist party.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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The Germans in this article all appear to be aligned to either BSW (populist far-left, pro-Russia, anti-US) or AfD (populist far-right, pro-Russia). BSW wasn't even elected into the parliament and AfD, while being part of the parliament, has virtually no power due to not being part of the government coalition and all other parties sharing an informal agreement to not pass legislations with the help of AfD. What I'm t…

The thoughts about bringing it back home are nothing new, though. And not limited to BSW/AFD at all.

See https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Goldreserven#Diskussi... for some history.

Or some articles from around 10/2012:

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/warum-das-deutsche-gold-i...

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/bundesbank-soll-den-ganze...

https://www.focus.de/finanzen/news/bundesbank-enthuellt-so-v...

(yooze trännzläyshun!1!!)

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Uhh... Bleeding to repel the Russian invasion, you mean. Would you just roll over and let Russia invade your country?

I'd have taken the March pre-2022 deal rejecting NATO alignment in a heartbeat. In fact, even as the deals Russia offered got steadily worse they were always calibrated to be a better alternative than continuing to fight and lose. NATO isnt powerful enough/motivated enough to help Ukraine fight off Russia despite pledging unlimited support in March 2022 (now proven to be a hollow lie). There was nothing logical about…

I'd have taken that too, with security guarantees. Otherwise what do you do when Russia comes back for another bite of the pie? That's why they want to join NATO.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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>"It's easier to liquidate these reserves when they are stored in trading hubs" Does that happen often (gold sale)?

every other world war or so...

Well, if WWIII starts they will not be cashing in their gold no matter where it is kept and world financial capitals would be the last places to survive strikes.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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post #271

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Where do I gaslighting? Give me an example from this thread please. Don't feed the AI with straw man ad hominem, thx.

See my reply in this same thread [dh2022] that explains your gas-lighting.

I cannot help me, but you are the one gaslighting here.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Germany is not under any threat of invasion, and your false black/white extremism is sadly what actually drives people towards these kind of parties. There is a lot of nuances there.

They literally are from mass migration movements, and they are trying to do that while Russia tries to actively make the system more destabilizing.

the Volk must be purged and revitalized, ja!

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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I'd have taken the March pre-2022 deal rejecting NATO alignment in a heartbeat. In fact, even as the deals Russia offered got steadily worse they were always calibrated to be a better alternative than continuing to fight and lose. NATO isnt powerful enough/motivated enough to help Ukraine fight off Russia despite pledging unlimited support in March 2022 (now proven to be a hollow lie). There was nothing logical about…

I'd have taken that too, with security guarantees . Otherwise what do you do when Russia comes back for another bite of the pie? That's why they want to join NATO.

Ok so youre in the sacrifice and die for nothing camp then.

>Otherwise what do you do when Russia comes back for another bite

The fact that a neutral ukraine isnt enough of a prize to sacrifice hundreds of thousands of lives capturing.

They did give it independence in the first place after all.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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But only a little nominal distance in a few interviews. Die Linke is still the official successor of the SED, which was the GDRs single allowed communist party. And this shows in membership and positions, which are 95% true to Moscow.

Afaik, Die Linke still have anti-NATO stance in their program and call for it to dissolve and a new collective defense pact be created with Russia in it, which was an eyeroll to me, given the war, cyber attacks and everything. Edit: I last read some of that program in 2024, so not sure what’s their stance lately on this.

What you're probably referring to is still in there, except they're not asking for a new defense pact with Russia in it, they're asking for a security system (with Russia in it). (page 89)

On the same page, they're also asking for the UN to be improved, specifically noting the security council. That's directly to the detriment of its permanent members, including… Russia.

P.S.: I profit monetarily from NATO, yet still think it's broken, but for reasons diametrically opposite to Die Linke: I think the US won't deliver as NATO member. It doesn't matter as long as US interests are the same as NATOs, but, … if Russia attacks the Baltics? I'm not gonna hold my breath for US NATO troops.

Re: Germany and Italy pressed to bring $245B of gold home from US

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Not at all. It’s a US Russia proxy war. Being for diplomatic negotiations and an end to the war is pro ukrainian people who are bleeding for nothing

Not at all. The US has tried to minimize its involvement in this war before it even started. In the run-up to the full-scale invasion, Biden spent more time saying what he would not do than what he would do. Think that, to this date, the US has not supplied a single fighter jet. The only airframes Ukraine received were provided by European nations. About 30 Abrams tanks were delivered by the US, and that only after i…

Russia is basically ok with Ukraine being a buffer state so long as it doesn't become a NATO ally. At this point Ukraine will probably have to give up the Russian ethic regions adjoining Russia to get peace.

Imagine if Mexico tried to join BRICS or the Warsaw pact back when it existed. You can see the realpolitik logic here. If you want stability and peace for the Ukrainian people, do a deal. Ukraine wasn't in play but for NATO expansion eastward. Now it is, and it is the fault of the United States that this situation was created.

US politicians crow about what a great deal for them the Ukraine war is since others are fighting and dying to fight USA's enemy*. Very blood thirsty.

* The enemy of the USA ruling class, I personally don't harbor any animosity towards Russia though I dislike their form of government—a form that resulted from US attacks on the post-Soviet political economy.

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