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Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Re: Microsoft suspended the email account of an ICC prosecutor at The Hague

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Post by SllX »

FpUser wrote: post #259
SllX wrote: post #257

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That’s also not going to happen. Even taking a former President is effectively an Act of War, especially with all the classified intel they were privy to during and still privy to after. Honestly you should consider it the same way all the way down to the rank of General, although I sure would hate to be a rank-and-file soldier caught by the ICC somehow. Even in that case they might not get a full on invasion on thei…

>"Even taking a former President is effectively an Act of War ..." I already said "...someone who is not the president, sitting of former....". You are just repeating.

I’ll admit I overlooked you also included “or former”, but I did address you and say you should consider it practically the same down to the rank of at least General, which includes the Vice President and Cabinet Secretaries.

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Post by danieljacksonno »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #254
borosuxks wrote: post #247

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Trump, not the US, did

That's still for rage-bait. Trump says a lot of things, most of them aren't true. Everyone operating in good faith, knew this wasn't true. Nobody above a room temperature IQ would think the US would invade Denmark. Edit: @danieljacksonno answering your comment from below here: >He repeated it several times. Trump repeats everything all the time. So what? That's what all politicians do. Your brain (if you have one) is…

He repeated it several times.

Europe certainly takes it seriously. Germany and France has spoken out officially against it, with Macron even visiting Greenland to show support.

Denmark is freaking out, and want to remove all dependencies on the US as quickly as possible.

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Post by freeopinion »

SllX wrote: post #258
freeopinion wrote: post #246

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Please don't conflate the interests of an American with "American interests".

Like it or not, the elected President does lead on defending American interests, including which ones to prioritize, and they get to do that because they won the election.

I callout the naivety of believing the the U.S. President personally decides the "American interest" of every action taken. It is a reality today that a nameless, faceless, unelected somebody on the third floor of a building in Arkansas or Arizona can decide on the spur of the moment whether a person in Yemen or Canada should die and press the button to make it happen at the hands of the U.S. government. No elected official needs to be consulted.

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Post by simmerup »

CommanderData wrote: post #192
decide1000 wrote: post #5

This is insane. They aimed his corporate account. Europeans move away from the US even faster now. This guy is literally breaking decades old relationships.

You think Europe would really behave any different? Israel is the wedge and leverage to eliminating governments of Iran, Pakistan, China and then India and weakening Russia further. Colonialism hasn't gone anywhere, evidence? Europe fully protects settlers and their ambitions despite what they say publicly. It is a long road but the most realistic one they have.

> You think Europe would really behave any different?

And do you think America would run their government on the software of European tech monopolies?

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Post by kragen »

JimBlackwood wrote: post #239
kragen wrote: post #209

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You're imagining this happening in a world where the US has the political status it had ten years ago, not the political status it will have ten years in the future.

No, it’s already happening today. There is an arrest warrant out for Netanyahu. Netanyahu visited Hungary, a party of the Rome Statue, and was not arrested. In a similar vein, Poland has said Netanyahu would have been welcome to visit the liberation of Auschwitz, without having to worry about out any arrest. Depending on how Hungary’s actions are resolved, the ICC will lose much of it’s use if member states just igno…

Netanyahu isn't "a sitting or former POTUS, their direct subordinates or military personnel", the arrest of which is the event you said "the ICC would fall shortly after". That's what I disagreed with.

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Post by Quarrelsome »

SllX wrote: post #241
Quarrelsome wrote: post #225

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US interventionalism over the course of its existence would make that a form of hypocrisy. Also where would the US be without support of nations like France, Spain and the Dutch Republic in its revolutionary war? You can't have it both ways, we're intrinsically tied together. I think its important part of friendship to call one another to account.

Well let me put it this way, I’m under no illusions that foreign nations will always attempt to exert their influence over American affairs. The only obligations we maintain with other nations are the ones we committed ourselves to, and yes, I know some of that is in question right now, but for what it’s worth I’m actually on the side of maintaining our commitments rather than pissing all over them or playing this si…

Returning to the OP for a second, we're talking about the ICC issuing a warrant for Netanyahu for war crimes he has clearly overseen in Gaza. I appreciate that you've slippery sloped this into a "they're coming for us next" and I cannot prove or disprove such a notion. But putting that aside for a second; how is not acceptable for the ICC to have an opinion on the events that have unfolded in the Gaza strip and accordingly issue a warrant?

Surely given Israel is a sovereign nation, that is separate from the US and the EU, isn't that entirely acceptable? I feel like your position continues to double-dip. The US can do whatever it wants at home and abroad and the EU is not afforded the same agency, because if it does have strong opinions then that's evidence that it will ultimately interfere with US internal policy.

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Post by ujkhsjkdhf234 »

FirmwareBurner wrote: post #270
danieljacksonno wrote: post #267

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Trump has several times threatened to take Greenland, by military force if necessary. He categorically has "not ruled out" military force against a NATO ally. First source, but there are many: https://edition.cnn.com/2025/05/04/world/greenland-annexatio... This has, for obvious reasons, been huge news in all of Europe and especially in Denmark. I'm sure MAGA Americans want to hand-wave it away, and since Trump is so…

See my comment here: https://news.ycombinator.com/edit?id=44340630 Trump says many things that nobody actually believes. Edit: @ujkhsjkdhf234 Answering your question from below here: >Trump says many things no one believes then he does. Stop steelmanning for Trump. That's actually a good political strategy in tough times: Keep your opponents always unsure about what you're gonna do next. Why do you think Putin invade…

Trump says many things no one believes then he does. His supporters often play it off as he's joking and then whoops turns out he does it. Stop excusing Trump and take his words seriously.

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Post by lurk2 »

spwa4 wrote: post #160
lurk2 wrote: post #149

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> The implementation pretty much causes human rights violations. How is that?

For example: selective enforcement, for example states vs terrorists. Even Russia became a victim of that, which I'll point out in hopes of avoiding discussion on Israel. Russia, of course commits human rights abuses in Ukraine. But Daesh committed serious human rights abuses against Russia [1] [2], as did a number of other islamist, nationalist and even a socialist group. Not one iota of attention of the court ever…

I’m not seeing how this causes human rights abuses like you originally claimed. Your post has also left me with two more questions:

> Any government is allowed to ask the ICC to not sue anyone for things either they did, or that happened on their soil. Sorry, any government EXCEPT the US and Israel are allowed to ask that.

Isn’t this because they are non-members?

> A relevant question would be "is the ICC allowed to change it's own statutes?" ... and of course the answer is no.

How does that work? Who sets the statutes if the ICC itself cannot modify them?

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Post by slt2021 »

netsharc wrote: post #252
krapp wrote: post #145

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What "Epstein/Israel/Trump blackmail conspiracy?" It's already known that Trump is in the Epstein files. He's already admitted to sexual assault, has been found liable of sexual abuse and is a convicted felon. He's one of the most openly venal and corrupt Presidents in history. There's literally nothing Israel could have on him that would surprise anyone. Every American President will defend Israel at any cost. The A…

I wonder how much weight to put to the theory that Biden was letting Israel get away with genocide because Israel was also weakening Iran, and that was a way to weaken Russia and help Ukraine, sorry dear Gazans, your suffering and death is noted under the heading "collateral damage". In happier news, Netanyahu's rampage helped Syria oust Assad, although that farmer from that Zen story says "Let's see."...

not true, Israeli military campaign against Gaza forced White House to reroute military shipments away from Ukraine and into Israel. In general Oct 7 and aftermath stole the attention from Ru-Ukr war and subsequently the military funding as well.

https://www.kyivpost.com/post/54565

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