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> a single 64GB SODIMM will work too Wait, are 64GB DDR5 SODIMMs finally out? I’ve been monitoring that for ages but almost lost hope.
Note that they are CSO-DIMMs, and may not be compatible with all products. In our limited testing, they do work on Framework Laptop 12.
Framework Laptop 12 review
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"The cost/benefit ratio of adding a fan is extremely attractive." Depends on your metric. A fan makes noise, attracts dirt that needs cleaning, needs more space ... I really love my fanless devices, even though they never will reach the speed of activly cooled ones.
Sure, and you can still find fanless devices, but then they'll typically be the ones not focused on multi-thread performance. And if you don't care about that, e.g. because you're offloading heavy workloads to a server or you just don't do anything compute heavy, then you can find a lot of fanless offerings with low core counts that are actually quite inexpensive. You can get some fanless Chromebooks for under $200.
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That is horrendous. I'm assuming it contains some kind of giant dataset in its entirety?
No datasets. Most of the size is just apt packages and tools bundled into the layers. Around 5GB are "useful" things, and another 15GB are a couple of arguably justified tarballs (only one of which is needed).
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I think the repairabilty makes it hard to even compare monetary value, since in theory, you'd be keeping the same body, while swapping out the mainboard. Is it cheaper to buy two other laptops compared to one laptop + mainboard? That's what, a 3-5 year timeline? Who knows what prices/capabilities/etc will be like then.
>in theory, you'd be keeping the same body, while swapping out the mainboard. I love the idea of Framework, but the upgradability seems questionable to me. I base this off my experience with desktops where I've rarely over the decades upgraded more than the hard drive and RAM. When I'm looking at upgrading the motherboard it seems I just end up going all the way and getting a new case/ps/etc at the same time. Maybe t…
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#276> A good laptop, but not a good value Where "value" is purely monetary, I think that pretty succinctly sums up my experience/views on the Framework product line. They make good laptops, but you can generally get more for fewer dollars. If you're shopping on price, you can probably just skip right over their entire product line. That doesn't mean that their offering doesn't have value. It has value has a vote with you…
I actually get a lot of value out of the repairability. It lets me buy a cheaper computer upfront without having to worry about whether i can upgrade later on. How many times have I thought, maybe i should get 2tb just in case, and then end up using 500gb. With framework, I'll buy the 1TB and the cost to upgrade is very low if I ever need to. Same thing with memory. Maybe i need 16, maybe 32, maybe 64. I tend to buy…
I'd kill for a fully transparent phone or laptop shell.
I'd pay $1000 more for this aesthetic. Double if it's in the florescent neon colors of 90's /00's Nintendo / Apple designs.
Re: Framework Laptop 12 review
#277> A good laptop, but not a good value Where "value" is purely monetary, I think that pretty succinctly sums up my experience/views on the Framework product line. They make good laptops, but you can generally get more for fewer dollars. If you're shopping on price, you can probably just skip right over their entire product line. That doesn't mean that their offering doesn't have value. It has value has a vote with you…
I actually get a lot of value out of the repairability. It lets me buy a cheaper computer upfront without having to worry about whether i can upgrade later on. How many times have I thought, maybe i should get 2tb just in case, and then end up using 500gb. With framework, I'll buy the 1TB and the cost to upgrade is very low if I ever need to. Same thing with memory. Maybe i need 16, maybe 32, maybe 64. I tend to buy…
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#279"Interesting" product placement (already within their portfolio, compared to the Framework 13). Sadly, they didn't succeed in making their unique features (compared to their and the market's other offerings) really useful by: 1. Using substandard digitzer tech (something as performant and economical as Wacom EMR is needed). One cannot compromise here. I get that this might also be a licensing issue. 2. Making the dev…
> 10.3 inch or smaller is better Any good non-apple devices have that?
1. Lenovo Legion Go 2: Windows (and possible Linux adaptability), Switch-like, will for some bizarre reason probably get an OLED display, might be at least Wacom AES compatible, pocket rocket with yet unkown but likely sketchy battery life, 8.8 inch. Not out yet.
2. 4th Gen Lenovo Y700 (AKA Legion Tab): Android (don't know how well de-Googleing etc. on Lenovo devices works), outstanding IPS display according to all the relevant ads and brochures, Snapdragon Elite, plenty memory, no 3.5 mm audio jack but mSD card slot and two USB-C ports, possible Wacom AES compatibility, etc. Display size also 8.8 inch, and also not out yet.
3. Samsung Galaxy Tab Active5 Pro: 10.1 inch, semi-rugged, Wacom EMR penabled, hot-swappable dual battery configuration, 3.5 mm audio jack, mSD card slot, USB-C 3.2, TFT LCD (120 Hz, 600 nits), Snapdragon 7s Gen 3, a measly 8 GB RAM, Android with Samsung's patented shackles (i. e. very hard to de-Google), corpo long-term support, etc. Essentially a slightly enlarged, but largely performative update of the Active5 below.
4. Samsung Galaxy Tab Active5, a classic example of corporate bean counting to the highest degree: 8.0 inch, semi-rugged, Wacom EMR, removable battery, 3.5 mm audio, mSD... but only USB-C 2.0, 8 GB of RAM, a rather weak processor, and rather meagre accessory support. Also available in a MIL-SPEC version with some extra goodies thrown in.
5. I'm also looking at some semi-rugged Dells and Panasonics. None have Wacom EMR capability. The only other established device makers that serve my use case at least in terms of display size are Chinese knock-offs with questionable support. Outside of that there's only the Steamdeck experience with integrated gaming controls, a form factor I have zero interest in, or small indie-engineered Linux hopefuls (e. g. the 7-inch version of Soulscircuit's Pilet UMPC)... which often suffer from poor energy management and therefore battery life, as well as "enthusiast-grade" support. ;)