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Post by leptons »

zzgo wrote: post #35
acdha wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure that’s true any more. I know a few vets and it was definitely thought-provoking to hear a Marine who’d been in the thick of Fallujah react to some police shooting by noting that they had stricter rules about use of force because the top brass wanted to get the Iraqi people on their side.

I suspect that the current administration isn't concerned about winning the hearts and minds of Angelenos.

Every city in the US has illegal aliens, but how many ICE raids are making the news in places like St. Louis, or New Orleans, or Houston - no, they aren't sending ICE to red states like they are to California, they are focusing on Los Angeles for the purpose of fomenting unrest so they can enact martial law. That wouldn't be so cool for their supporters if red states had riots, but their supporters love seeing liberal California with a boot on its neck.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

hunglee2 wrote: post #251

The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. But then, Trump was always going to be a rule breaker, not least to his own supporters, in the end all that will be left will be absolute fealty to the chief

Does Newsom have the right to defederalize the National Guard? Put another way, who is currently the supreme commander of the California National Guard?

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Post by NalNezumi »

speakfreely wrote: post #173
ekidd wrote: post #78

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> This is probably an unpopular opinion but I would like politicians on the left to speak up about the rioting and burning of stuff at the current protests and also the Tesla and George Floyd protests. I mean, Gavin Newsom just did a long interview from a "crisis center" where he did exactly that, today. And plenty of Democratic politicians also speak against violent protests whenever they occur. But unless you actua…

The Democratic politicians have painted themselves into a corner by trying to maintain far left support. Compare the messaging: Trump: We must have law and order. Immigration laws must be enforced. We will not tolerate riots or destruction. Protesters: The government shouldn't detain people who are in the country illegally. We should ignore federal laws we don't agree with. If we disagree with federal agents who are…

>The Democratic politicians have painted themselves into a corner by trying to maintain far left support

>This is a deliberate strategy to put Newsom in an untenable position and paint him as an irredeemable liberal

What's fascinating with current US politics and media is how these two sentences can be constructed in same sentence in an attempt to come off as "see I'm smart and media literate, I can see the full picture!" while literally the first sentence of your comment shows that that's not the case.

The media repeating "Democrats are far left" long enough and it have penetrated your head. There's probably pandering to far left in democratic party I assume, but it have been magnified to a reality altering level by media so that's now believed as the core, while same thing happening on the far-right & Republican party.

Both side must be truly be thinking like you, I assume. "I see the full picture, I'm smart" while parroting a distortion only required to be repeated for years.

If everyone could put their phone down, touch some grass, take a road trip to the opposite political isle maybe this distortion could've been avoided.

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Post by curtisblaine »

esseph wrote: post #230
leereeves wrote: post #220

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It's terrifying, certainly. One man was taken into custody for allegedly throwing a Molotov cocktail at an officer and a motorcyclist was arrested for ramming a police skirmish line. https://www.yahoo.com/news/kill-l-police-attacked-fireworks-... Los Angeles County Sheriff Robert Luna said "you had people who were...attacking police officers, deputy sheriffs and causing a lot of destruction." The 101 Freeway shut dow…

What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades , were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc? Once the state sets its eyes on enemies, it doesn't stop adding to that list. Use of the tools and techniques in place right now will continue to be used, and against "legal" citizens. I worry how we turn the corner. I don't like what history says.

> What would you do if friends and family and neighbors of yours for years, even decades, were pulled from their homes, places of work and worship, schools, etc?

This was always a well-understood risk though.

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Post by rocqua »

MaxHoppersGhost wrote: post #133
khazhoux wrote: post #116

Seems to me that sending the USMC to protect a burning Waymo is a bit of an overreaction.

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By what authority can they actually use violence to guard these federal workers and buildings? Not the insurection act, and so not at all due to pose comitatus.

What can they do to guard then?

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Post by gamblor956 »

IG_Semmelweiss wrote: post #85
hypeatei wrote: post #28

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> Here's hoping this is purely an optics play and they are only there to waste money and incite nationalism They don't deserve any benefit of the doubt at this point. Ask yourself what the MAGA reaction would've been to troops being deployed to their riot at the Capitol.

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I live there and very few of us are cheering the military. We get protests like this in LA all the time. TBH, these protests are nothing compared to what happens when the Lakers or Dodgers win a championship.

And the protestors aren't the problem; the problem are the looters using the protestors as cover. The looters mostly belong to the retail theft gangs that have been plaguing stores across the country (even in red states) since COVID.

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Post by jxjnskkzxxhx »

hunglee2 wrote: post #251

The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights. But then, Trump was always going to be a rule breaker, not least to his own supporters, in the end all that will be left will be absolute fealty to the chief

> The irony is that one of the main rails upon which the MAGA train rides is States rights.

No it's not. They just like slavery. If it was about states rights they wouldn't support sending in the military.

What I find shocking about comments like yours is the reminder that propaganda works. Someone in the republican party decided "guys, advocating for slavery openly doesn't go over well, let's tell them it's actually about states rights", and loads of people actually believed it.

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Post by hparadiz »

motorest wrote: post #170
ivape wrote: post #150

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It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on.

> It’s interesting ICE raided the outside of a Home Depot. Like, of all the immigrants, the immigrants that stand outside of Home Depot do the hardest physical labor. There’s no heart to what’s going on. From an outsider's view, everything looks so performative and fabricated to be consumed by a tv target audience. I mean, if there is so much illegal immigration in the US, is it the most effective use of resources to…

They hate poor people. The wealthy undocumented people are sitting at home in their legal son or daughter's house watching the kids without a care in the world. The ones getting caught up in this are the ones that can't lay low for a while.

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Post by JumpCrisscross »

vasco wrote: post #83
bix6 wrote: post #49

This is terrifying and unconscionable. Hard to believe this is the USA today. I don’t really see this de-escalating given the ongoing rhetoric but I hope I’m wrong.

I'm not american but I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too. Funny that if it's so bad to deploy them, why is it OK to deploy them in other countries?

> I remember marines being mobilized for hurricane Katrina in New Orleans too

The governor of Louisiana requested federal help. Legally very different.

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Post by psalaun »

jxjnskkzxxhx wrote: post #223

There's a reason you separate military and the police. One fights the enemies of the state. The other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tend to become the people.

(I've the feeling that during civil uprising in dictatorship or democracy, the police tends to serve and protect the hand that feeds them, rather than the oppressed people.)
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