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Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by johnisgood »

twixfel wrote: post #269
johnisgood wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how cucked the Hungarians are This statement is an unnecessary, and offensive generalization. Many Hungarians do not agree with Orbán at all. Read more about "Magyar Péter". > it's that Hungary supports said invasion. It does not. > Hey, but it also means it will fail, because everything Hungary seems to touch turns to shit :) So you have nothing to worry about, then. Why even bother crying about Hungary if you gen…

You are trolling anyway and throwing standard fascist claims around about shilling and masters, whilst of course advocating for total non-intervention in Ukraine and letting Russia rape the country at its leisure. Also engaging since the beginning in bad faith by arguing no points, but just picking out individual words that you disagree with. You are a troll, but though I'm not sure you're aware of it, which is surel…

Do you think Ukraine is going to win? With or without aid? What happens if they win? What happens if they lose? Why is Zelensky so against peace talks? He had plenty of opportunities to choose peace. He did not do so. He recruits random young men at gunpoint. Zelensky is known to eliminate the opposition, too. What do you think, is he a good person?

Just because I disagree with some things that you say, that does not make me a troll. Not everyone who disagrees with you is a troll.

What even is the point of this discussion?

> Also: It's not a tech forum, there's lots of non-tech content here.

It is though, despite non-tech content.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by stego-tech »

DoctorOW wrote: post #183
stego-tech wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My sarcasm well is tapped, but this is why I was sus of CDNs like Cloudflare and Akamai at the outset. Yes, they’re highly convenient and enable more sites and services to weather large attacks or traffic spikes, but we willingly sunk a huge swath of the net behind a handful of for-profit entities and yet somehow expected nothing but sunshine and roses forever. Stop. Trusting. Companies. To. Do. The. Right. Thing. Cl…

You seen to be implying that Cloudflare has been abusing this position of power, but then listing things it allows? Porn, of consenting adults, is actually a great example of business Cloudflare's right to take on. You may not care for it, but legal/ethical pornography is a matter only of taste. We'd be far worse off if Cloudflare was blocking content based off of personal preference.

…that’s not what I was saying at all? Like, remotely close?

I was saying that:

* For-profit companies like Cloudflare have a vested interest in preserving as many paying customers as possible

* Their own process for getting content taken down makes it deliberately difficult to remove content, as that would harm their business model

* We have willfully chosen to sink large swaths of the internet behind companies like Cloudflare

* As a result, the only tools left to governments and the judiciary are often draconian in nature, harming innocent parties in pursuit of criminals

* We are naive to believe that any for-profit entity will act in the best interests of society, especially when those interests conflict with their profit-motives.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by stego-tech »

dc396 wrote: post #221
DoctorOW wrote: post #199

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(in)famously they refused to do that until ordered to by law enforcement.

Err, no. At least not according to Cloudflare: https://blog.cloudflare.com/why-we-terminated-daily-stormer/ TL;DR: "The tipping point for us making this decision [to discontinue service] was that the team behind Daily Stormer made the claim that we were secretly supporters of their ideology."

And that’s what he was getting at: if TDS hadn’t put words in Cloudflare’s mouth and kept paying their bills on time, there’s little doubt Cloudflare would have ever removed them as a customer.

Cloudflare’s consistent response to accusations it defends illicit or harmful content has been some variation of “they’re paying customers and it’s not our place to judge their content”. Which, sure, noble hill to die on and all that jazz, but also something of a cowardly defense for speech whose sole purpose is creating harm.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by KomoD »

kelnos wrote: post #232
KomoD wrote: post #171

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A little weird to ask the GP for a source without also asking the GGP for one. Both claims are unsupported.

Why ask both when I can ask one? If one gives me a source for their claim, it'd disprove the other.

And yes, both claims are unsupported, I definitely agree.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by KomoD »

necovek wrote: post #229
KomoD wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Is there a source for a counter claim that there is a majority (or large minority, if you are only contending the "huge" part) of Europeans who have something against the American people? Note that even running a survey with "negative" question would bias the results in that direction (eg. difference between "how do you rate this?" and "what is bad about this?")

> Is there a source for a counter claim that there is a majority (or large minority, if you are only contending the "huge" part) of Europeans who have something against the American people?

I don't know, is there? I'm fine with a source for either one.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by johnisgood »

twixfel wrote: post #269
johnisgood wrote: post #267

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how cucked the Hungarians are This statement is an unnecessary, and offensive generalization. Many Hungarians do not agree with Orbán at all. Read more about "Magyar Péter". > it's that Hungary supports said invasion. It does not. > Hey, but it also means it will fail, because everything Hungary seems to touch turns to shit :) So you have nothing to worry about, then. Why even bother crying about Hungary if you gen…

You are trolling anyway and throwing standard fascist claims around about shilling and masters, whilst of course advocating for total non-intervention in Ukraine and letting Russia rape the country at its leisure. Also engaging since the beginning in bad faith by arguing no points, but just picking out individual words that you disagree with. You are a troll, but though I'm not sure you're aware of it, which is surel…

> whilst of course advocating for total non-intervention in Ukraine and letting Russia rape the country at its leisure.

Non-interventionism is probably the be the way to go about it. What should we do? Nuke Russia? Send Ukraine weapons? They are known for grabbing men off the streets and put them at the frontline. Sounds... amazing. There is a reason for why Telegram rooms exist that tell you which areas to avoid inb4 you get inscribed / enlisted / whatever you want to call it.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by SXX »

xk_id wrote: post #207
SXX wrote: post #162

Many will disagree here, but I really respect Cloudflare fight against government-enabled censorship and abuse of power by anti-piracy whatever. Yes, sometimes CloudFlare used for some actually bad stuff, but same can be said for any cloud service. Having major internet infrastructure provider react to every whim of every single government in the world is not a good idea.

I think it’s extremely naive to think Cloudflare is anti-government. It’s more likely that they’re a US Intelligence company, whose purpose is to decrypt and monitor global internet traffic.

This kind a sucks if you're inside the US, but as someone outside I'd rather use service reporting to single country intellegence rather than 100 of them.

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by necovek »

KomoD wrote: post #275
necovek wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there a source for a counter claim that there is a majority (or large minority, if you are only contending the "huge" part) of Europeans who have something against the American people? Note that even running a survey with "negative" question would bias the results in that direction (eg. difference between "how do you rate this?" and "what is bad about this?")

> Is there a source for a counter claim that there is a majority (or large minority, if you are only contending the "huge" part) of Europeans who have something against the American people? I don't know, is there? I'm fine with a source for either one.

I am highlighting the imbalance of your request.

The poster you asked for proof was countering anecdotal claim with their own — why did you not join them in asking for the proof first?

Anyway, this is all rhetorical — as I said, just pointing out that you are not being fair to the poster you replied to, because if you were, you would have asked exactly what you asked here: "is there any source for any of these claims either way?"

Re: Cloudflare CEO: Football piracy blocks will claim lives

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Post by globie »

maeil wrote: post #230
globie wrote: post #99

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Do you ever find that advocating for these tenets feels "weird" nowadays? As in, don't you know these publicly traded companies are legally bound to extract profit without these silly notions of empathy or trust? What do you expect them to do? To start acting silly?

> As in, don't you know these publicly traded companies are legally bound to extract profit without these silly notions of empathy or trust? Based on your first question, I think you might already know this, but just in case you don't: This is a myth. > The idea that choosing a 1% strategic internal investment over a 4.5% T-bill constitutes actionable "financial malpractice" or a breach of fiduciary duty leading to s…

A "Fiduciary responsibility to shareholders" means exactly what I said: "legally bound to extract profit without these silly notions of empathy or trust".

The only notions of empathy or trust you see from publicly traded companies nowadays is the over-engineered calamity of ESG. If you have a single example of a moderately-adopted trend which demonstrates a genuine desire to do right by their society, or to build long-term trust at the expense of short-term profits, I'll readily adopt it into my world model.

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