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NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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Re: NSF faces shake-up as officials abolish its 37 divisions

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The NSF budget is ~$10billion. That's about half of NASA's, 1.2% of the DoD's, 0.5% of the discretionary budget ($1.7 trillion). Why is this the focus of the admin? Science is one of the few things the US is doing well.

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“I’ve seen” doesn’t work rhetorically for public institutions like NSF. If you know of grants you want to use as examples, link to them.

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If you're going with the great conspiracy of GOP as Russian assets, you should also add Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons as Russian assets as well.

What is your explanation for Trump putting tariffs on every country in the world except Russia?

Russia is already under sanctions and has no significant trade with the U.S. — same as North Korea:

https://www.reuters.com/world/russia-cuba-north-korea-escape...

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This is deeply detached from reality. I assure you, private R&D is voraciously reading published publicly funded papers. It's a significant PR issue that this misconception about how R&D works gets propagated ad nauseum.

I could not have said it better myself.

I’ve seen “behind the curtain” in both private and publicly funded research. I can’t think of a single area where private industry isn’t standing on the shoulders of collective advancement. (I speak from experience as someone who holds a degree in one of the fields I’m about to mention.)

The biggest leaps tend to be made as a result of public-private partnerships. For example, essentially the totality of fundamental knowledge relating to aeronautics and aerospace, advanced medicine and life-saving pharmaceuticals (especially drugs for orphaned diseases), and any of the examples already offered in this thread.

Private ownership of scientific knowledge isn’t inherently a bad thing, but locking it up indirectly by virtue of eliminating all public funding for it does nothing more than to invite a new corporatist driven Dark Age.

Cyberpunk 2077 is a fun place to visit on the screen. I guess some people do want to live there.

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If that's how you're using it, then you're doing it wrong, because you're supposed to be supervising the drive the entire time. It's not self-driving if you're supervising. And you're required to supervise because... they're not confident it can actually self-drive.

where did i say i wasn't supervising? Are you saying the self-summon is the unsupervised part? Cause i can flip that logic on it's head and say, if they weren't confident that it can summon to me, why would they implement the feature?

The charge is that Tesla can't do self-driving successfully. If they could, you wouldn't need to supervise, as is the case with e.g. a Waymo taxi. That they require you to supervise is an admission that their system is not sufficient for self driving, i.e. they're not doing it successfully.

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> I mean, I guess we'll try to find competent and sane leaders again in 4 years. I don't know? There's not much else we can do at this point if this is the level of irrationality you're dealing with. There are absolutely not going to be free and fair elections 4 years from now. People really need to start preparing for this reality.

I still think it's possible we'll have free elections still, assuming the SAVE act fails. If it passes, as a democracy we're probably failed beyond repair in my lifetime.

The man who presided over Jan 6th and the fake electors plot is definitely not going to accept an unfavorable outcome to the election now that he has much more power than he did in 2020.

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If you're going with the great conspiracy of GOP as Russian assets, you should also add Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons as Russian assets as well.

Is there something about Elon Musk and the other tech robber barons being russian assets as well that makes the whole notion stupid on its face? I can't tell what your point is. Are you being dismissive or do you just want to remind people about the tech robber barons as well?

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We absolutely cannot let science be hit by 50% budget cuts at NSF and NIH. It would be absolutely devastating to our standing in the world. Scientists will ABSOLUTELY leave to Europe and Canada to continue our research. I know that I would.

Concretely: at a European university, we are hearing from American researchers who would have been above our ability to attract previously, and who are directly telling us that they're interested in applying for positions because they have been directly affected by these funding cuts and antics. This could end up being an opportunity like the one the US had in the 1930s and 40s for any country able to take advantage…

For me, an autism researcher, EU has been leading the way lately in terms of funding and large scale projects...so there was already that.

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Also, NCSA was started with NSF funds and the put out the first web browse. And now the guy behind that is supporting Trump. Really pulling up the ladder.

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Just curious, but if it really was up to full self driving, why don't you think Tesla would have it certified as such? Being first to market as a true self driving vehicle would be a huge business win.
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