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Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copyright_protection_for_ficti... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Personality_rights#United_Stat...

Copyright protection doesn't prevent an illustrator from drawing the thing.

but selling it is another and these ai companies sell their IP theft with a monthly subscription.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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> to stifle original ideas and hold back cultural innovation. How is copyright stifling innovation? You could not rip something off more blatantly than Gravity, which had the lawsuit dismissed entirely. Taurus vs Stairway to Heaven, the list goes on and on and on. You can often get away with nearly murder ripping off other people's stuff.

Because it's self indulgent wankery. If I, as writer and an artist, have just the most absolutely brilliant thoughts, and write them down into a book or draw the most beautiful artwork, I can earn money off that well into my afterlife with copyright. Meanwhile the carpenter who is no less bright, can only sell the chair he's built once. In order to make money off of it, he must labor to produce a second or even a thi…

I don't think it is that easy. Take musicians for example. There are several thousands most popular and rich, some that can only gather a small club and a long tail of people who can only play music on their day off. And now with development of generative models their financial situation is going to get only worse.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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It's an IP theft machine. Humans wouldn't be allowed to publish these pictures for profit, but OpenAI is allowed to "generate" them?

Won't somebody think of the billionaire IP holders? The horror.

And the small up and coming artists whose work is also stolen, AI-washed, and sold to consumers for a monthly fee, destroying the market for those up and coming artists to sell original works. You don't get to pretend this is only going to hurt big players when there are already small players whose livelihoods have been ruined.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Unless it can exclude the copyright outputs and provide something else instead of blocking the inputs. I'm sure there's AI that can check if a picture is close enough to something in their database of copyrighted characters built up from some kind of DMCA-like process of copyright holders submitting examples of their work to be blocked.

Indeed, but where does it stop? Looks like Potter? No go. Hmm, looks like an illustration of Pug? No go. Looks like Simon the sorcerer. No go. Hmm, looks like a wizard from Infocom's Sorcers get all the girls. No go. The problem is that it regurgitates what already exists and if you really want to abide by all the permissions then there is nothing left.

The AI companies could always license all that copyrighted training materials. You can't claim there's no solution while ignoring the solution everyone' been using for ages just because these corporations told you so.

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Because it's self indulgent wankery. If I, as writer and an artist, have just the most absolutely brilliant thoughts, and write them down into a book or draw the most beautiful artwork, I can earn money off that well into my afterlife with copyright. Meanwhile the carpenter who is no less bright, can only sell the chair he's built once. In order to make money off of it, he must labor to produce a second or even a thi…

The only people making chairs by hand today are exceptionally well-paid artisanal craft carpenters and/or designers/studios. It's not at all unusual for popular/iconic furniture designs to be copyrighted. Reality is people who invent truly original, useful, desirable things are the most important human beings on the planet. Nothing that makes civilisation what it is has happened without original inventiveness and cre…

> Destroy rewards for original invention and creativity and you destroy all progress

You won't destroy the progress completely but there definitely will be a lot of unfairness like people monetizing someone else's music due to having better SEO skills and more free time than the artist. And the artist cannot hire SEO specialist because he has no money.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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> You're allowed to draw IP and share your drawings. No you're not, not in general. The copyright holder has the exclusive right to prepare and distribute derivative works. > You're allowed to screenshot and photoshop IP. Again, no, not in general. > You're allowed to sell tools that help others draw and photoshop IP*. Sort of. You're allowed to sell tools that might be used for those purposes. You're not allowed to…

I guess country of residence has a lot of relevance here...

Not really, post-Berne convention.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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I'm fascinated by the fact that the images are almost right, but never totally. Harrison Ford's head is way too big for his body. Same with Alicia Vikander's and Daniel Craig's too. Daniel Craig is way too young too. Bruce Willis's just looks fake, and he's holding his lighter in the opposite hand from the famous photo. So it's not reproducing any actual copyrighted images directly. It's more like an artist trying to…

According to some of the replies in this discussion, even "artist trying to paint from memory" is guilty of infringement, as long as the subject matter can be linked in any way to someone's "IP". Im not legally trained to evaluate these claims, but some of them seem outlandish!

Painting and selling a painting or otherwise substituting that painting for an original work that deprives the original creator is theft, plain and simple. Not selling it, there's room for discussion and more considered legal review.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Here's a question. What if I want to prompt: "An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip, make sure it is NOT Indiana Jones." One way or another, you (and the model) do need to know who Indiana Jones is. After that, the moral and legal choices of whether to generate the image, and what to do with it, are all yours. And we might not agree on what that is, but you do get the choice

If the AI company sells it to you, no matter your prompting, they are stealing. If you also sell that work, then so are you.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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I was really hoping that the conversation around AI art would at least be partially centered on the perhaps now dated "2008 pirate party" idea that intellectual property, the royalty system, the draconian copyright laws that we have today are deeply silly, rooted in a fiction, and used over and over again, primarily by the rich and powerful, to stifle original ideas and hold back cultural innovation. Unfortunately, i…

> That Disney Corp can prevent you from viewing some collection of pixels, because THEY own it A world without copyright is just as problematic as a world with copyright. With copyright, you run into the problem of excessive control. This wasn't too much of a problem in the past. If you bought a book, record, or video recording, you owned that particular copy. You could run into disagreeable situations because you di…

You don’t need credit to talk about pop culture. I don’t need to credit the Indian Jones copyright holder when I paint a stunning likeness of Ford in a kaki outfit with a whip, even if the holder might try to sue me over it. Copyright and credit aren’t the same.

Re: An image of an archeologist adventurer who wears a hat and uses a bullwhip

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Idk, the models generating what are basically 1:1 copies of the training data from pretty generic descriptions feels like a severe case of overfitting to me. What use is a generational model that just regurgitates the input? I feel like the less advanced generations, maybe even because of their limitations in terms of size, were better at coming up with something that at least feels new. In the end, other than for co…

Why? Replace the context and not having that property is now called a hallucination.

Overall the model is tra

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