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Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

So many apps are glorified wrappers around web content anyway, and in those cases, native just adds bloat (and tracking)

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I know but that does not clarify the connection between blue tick, certain pin codes and a certain week in the slightest. Sure, these are probably all hints to affluent members of society but I was hoping for a more detailed explanation.

Blue tick/check = verified Twitter accounts, from when Twitter staff chose who to give the blue tick and only gave it to journalists, technologists, etc that the twitter staff wanted to amplify. Nowadays a blue check simply means you purchased premium, but we remember the original meaning. This is not an Indian thing. PIN codes = postal codes.

Yes, the interesting question is which PIN codes is the author hinting at and which week of the year and why. This is what I want to know. I think I can figure out the rest myself.

But while we are at it: What is the significance of a cow trading app. Is it used by people who treat cows as sacred or the opposite?

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#274

I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

...not every app is a worse reddit website?

there are games, there are offline programs

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website-as-an-app do needs to be squashed, that's something I do agree with you

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The worst one is the UK's NHS app, which is only available as an app, despite being just a webview wrapper! I have no idea what they were thinking.

What happens when you visit whatever URL is being wrapped?

IME those apps often have the HTML/JS embedded, so you would have to extract the contents, host them somewhere and proxy the API calls.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#276

I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

Zuck: Betting on HTML5 was a mistake (2012) https://www.infoq.com/news/2012/09/Facebook-HTML5-Native/

https://www.sencha.com/, the vendor of the ExtJS framework tried to argue that Facebook was wrong (2012): https://www.infoq.com/news/2012/12/Fastbook/

I worked for a company that used Sencha back in the day and wrote the first React integration over their form/datagrid components in 2013. React ate their lunch

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

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post #182

I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

Im sorry. I really just can’t understand or relate to this at all. Mobile web still feels like such a terrible experience, and apps generally don’t. When’s the last time you tried booking a flight on mobile web? And how do you deal with all of the real estate the browser steals? Having to log in every time when the app can just cache my authentication and FaceID me?

> Having to log in every time

Sounds like a broken web app.

You are currently using a webapp that doesn't do this. It's called Hacker News, and it never asks me to login every time on my phone.

> when the app can just cache my authentication and FaceID me

Sounds like a broken login form.

Hacker News also allows me to login with Face ID on my phone, thanks to my password manager.

Optionally webapps can also provide Passkeys.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#278

> It's worth acknowledging that there are some legitimate reasons for an app to check which other apps are installed on your phone. For example, an app might check which UPI apps are installed to show relevant payment options. Nope! Nope, nope, nope. If you're wondering how we got into this situation.. well, it's exactly stuff like this. Weird to see someone who's digging into it at all also making excuses for it. No…

> "I want to avoid a single extra click once every other month, so I guess I better irrevocably open my data/phone/life up completely to megacorp forever" Nah, it's super annoying when I click on a link and don't get redirected to the native app. This happens way more then once a month. Web experiences are much worse for many things.

Good, because this is what Intents are for. No app needs to know all your installed apps to launch them with a link.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#279

I still, will never understand the need for native "Apps". To this day, I have never seen an "App" that couldn't simply have been a website/webapp. Most of them would likely be improved by being a webapp. The only benefits I can see of "Apps", are the developer get's access to private information they really don't need. Yeah, they get to be on the "App Store". But the "App Store" is a totally unnecessary concept intr…

Pokemon Go. You couldn't really do that as a webapp with the VR and stuff.

Also with the bank apps I think there's extra security over a webapp - on the iphone they often scan my face.

Re: Everyone knows all the apps on your phone

#280

"the one that blue tick twitter accounts living in certain pin codes of Bengaluru passionately discuss amongst themselves for a week every year" To someone embarrassingly unfamiliar with Indian culture, what does it mean?

Bengaluru/Bangalore has hotspots (PIN codes are postal address codes) where there are lots of startups, mostly in ecommerce, ad-tech, online education etc. and they have incentive to upsell you a lot.

I guess its referring to someone wannabe influencer buying Twitter(X) premium and posting based on half baked info on customers.

Mostly sarcasm, so take with a grain of salt. I can't tell about accuracy, but explaining the cultural context here.

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