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Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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How bloated is Windows actually?

Idles at 50% CPU usage running background tasks on a dual core. For steam deck, enough to be noticeable in FPS.

Is that 50% CPU usage across all cores? That's impressive (as in impressively bad).

I haven't used Windows in a few years, but I was actually fairly happy with Windows 10 as a casual user.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Stream actually paid for contributions to Wine if I understand correctly. I too planning to use a gaming centric distro for my next gaming PC build. The horseshit they've been pushing at me on 10 has been atrocious. The lie that 10 would be the last. Injecting pages into Chrome. Windows acts more and more like literal malware.

> I too planning to use a gaming centric distro for my next gaming PC build. I don't find that the distribution makes that much of a difference? I just use Arch Linux, and install all the programs (gaming centric or otherwise) that I need when I need them. I guess I'm lucky, because the Steam Deck's distribution is based on Arch Linux, but I used it before it was cool. I suspect the main differences between the distr…

Yeah and good on you for using Arch but gaming distros are designed to support dummies, meaning people like me that don't really want to build the OS from the ground up get to coast. We just want to use it.

I know a fair bit about OS internals but especially when I'm gaming I want to play rather than read and follow technical docs.

Sorry, not sorry.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Yep, the technology is already there. Just a question of time before they flip the switch for good and force it down everyone's throat and call it "enhanced security and user experience".

There are so many legacy apps being used in the corporate world, I don't see this realistically ever happening.

So just make that feature exclusive for enterprise versions and reduce the ease for private individuals to obtain one.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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That would never work, they would have to have some kind of override. Microsoft doesn’t have that kind of leverage over Windows users because they don’t have tight vertical integration. If Windows 12 enforced that, users would just stay on Windows 11 and MS’ leverage would decrease even further.

I can’t believe people didn’t stay on Windows 7. It seems to have slid into some always-online ad-filled cloud hellhole since. Office365 is worse than Office 2000. This is the OEM strategy still at play. You gotta hand it to Bill Gates for capturing PCs for decades. People truly don’t care how poor their operating system behaves, because your only other option is to buy a Mac.

Staying on some windows 10 lite-repack for about 8 years now. Automatically activated. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Paint. Windows-7-like start menu. No UWP apps, cortana, onenote, onedrive, even no freaking microsoft Edge. No app store. Not a single moving pixel, ad or notification , or another jumpscaring layout when system starts. Everything installs/works perfectly, perfect system.

I have no idea why people even consider updating, must be some really weird case.

There is zero new value in the latest Windows versions, just plain nothing new, there is really no reason to switch.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Idles at 50% CPU usage running background tasks on a dual core. For steam deck, enough to be noticeable in FPS.

Is that 50% CPU usage across all cores? That's impressive (as in impressively bad). I haven't used Windows in a few years, but I was actually fairly happy with Windows 10 as a casual user.

One core, broadwell generation.

Devs don't test on low spec machines and MS fired the team that maintained the testing PC zoo a decade ago.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Secure boot will not always remain optional for windows.

And how could that possibly be enforced?

Same way it works for anti cheat.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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And how could that possibly be enforced?

Same way it works for anti cheat.

The whole point of anti-cheat is to provide some sort of proof to a game server that your client is unmodified. What would be the server in this case?

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Until you need to download something from the app store (happened to me the other day on a mac I wiped and then needed to bring on holiday so now I need to go through the process again afterwards)

Irrelevant. You can still use the OS and run any code you want.

I didn't have time to code a Vpn client before going on holiday...so I needed to get wire guard from the macos store.

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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Irrelevant. You can still use the OS and run any code you want.

I didn't have time to code a Vpn client before going on holiday...so I needed to get wire guard from the macos store.

it doesn't matter if you don't need account to access windows app store if you can't even use the os without an account. your point just doesn't make any sense to me

Re: Upcoming Windows 11 builds cannot install without internet and Microsoft Account

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You don’t need to use the Server SKU. LTSC exists. It’s basically the Server version, but without any of the Server stuff.

To be pedantic, Server 2022 is a newer build than any Windows 10 version.

For Windows 11, all editions (11, 11 Enterprise LTSC, Server 2025) are 24H2.
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