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Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by thyristan »

pjmlp wrote: post #22
mixedbit wrote: post #8

The incoming Q1 earning reports will show if these actions are mainstream enough to make a visible dent in companies quarterly earnings. For now, the already reported Tesla sales numbers in Europe are substantially down, but Tesla is the strongest target of the boycott. It will be interesting to see if consumer companies such as Coca Cola, Nike, Amazon also report a substantial drop in EU sales.

Not sure how much it gets consumed, but many places in Germany rather sell Fritz-Kola only.

The German soda market is very very regionalized, along the same lines as the beer market (20 to 50km around the brewery, further away you won't get it anymore. Very big brands are exceptions of course). Practically every brewery (there are over a thousand) has its own line of sodas, usually white (lemon or lime) lemonade, yellow (orange) lemonade (both carbonated around here), spezi (cola plus orange), cola (some coca cola copy) and apfelschorle (apple juice plus carbonated water).

Additionally there are a few that cater to certain groups with special products like mate soda (Loscher invented it with Club Mate I guess, but nowadays there are 10 big brands and a few small ones) and special kinds of cola like AfriCola or Mate Cola. Fritz-Kola is one of those products, you can get it in every city in well-stocked supermarkets, but it is a product that only caters to a certain kind of people and establishments (think "Berlin-like club-going techno-mad party-crowd" maybe). So many places will carry something else that caters to their group, and their region.

That is also why the Coca-Cola marketshare that the sister comment mentioned will go down, but it will not be replaced by another big producer, just maybe a handful of nationwide brands plus tons of regional ones.

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Post by amarcheschi »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

The people i know (except for the tankie ones such as my high school philosphy professor, that guy was goat) would have preferred a less abrupt usa exit and not one that potentially puts europe security at risk. I do not know enough about the elites to talk about it tho

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Post by concerndc1tizen »

radicalbyte wrote: post #240
concerndc1tizen wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europeans had to fight for our rights and freedom. In this sense, it is your civic duty to ensure order in your own country. The critique is that too many Americans have become complacent and allowed the political system and media landscape to evolve as it has. The Democrats are also corrupt and need to be replaced, but it requires a sacrifice of wealth that people aren't willing to give, for selfish reasons. But you…

They have also been the main target of Soviet/Russian/CCP information operations designed to cause the current mess and live in a democratic system where the (ultra)wealthy have had far too much power.

You could argue that it goes back to when Bush became president despite losing the election to Al Gore, by suppressing recounts that later proved that he lost.

The Democrats have been allowing this for too long and are equally complacent. Nancy Pelosi doing insider trading is just the tip of the iceberg, quite literally speaking as the house speaker.

Americans should join Serbia and Turkey in their revolutions.

Re: Millions are visiting the European Alternatives site. What trends are we seeing?

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Post by TacticalCoder »

iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

You're giving a lot of credit to the EU. I'm european, I live in the EU. I talk with many other europeans and they all have the same point of view: the EU is fading into irrelevancy and most EU capital cities are quickly becoming complete, total and utter shitholes.

> So now EU is investing in their own tech and military ...

It's amazing that we're supposed to believe there's going to be a EU renaissance now that, for the third time, the EU wants to begin a world war. There's talks of gigantic investments in the EU war machine, talks of making the military service mandatory again in the EU, talks about how "wonderful" it is that so many young europeans are willing to go to war to save "democracy", etc.

It's really nothing short of amazing that the warmongers are happy that the EU is planning gigantic investment in its military apparatus and that that is supposed to be where the EU's renaissance shall be coming from.

What a future for the EU! Military investments!

If I had 5 million USD to spare, I'd buy the US golden visa that Trump created and I'd GTFO of the EU in a hurry.

I do believe things are going to turn from worse to shit in the EU and it's not the tens of millions of uneducated, unemployable, unwilling to adapt to western civilization armies of religious fanatics that the EU imported and keeps importing that are going to solve anything. The only outcome is that it'll accelerate the descend into shitholeness.

The EU has its own problems and there's a reason so many countries started seeing the far-right gain lots and lots of votes and this started way before and has nothing to do with Trump.

> ... is the US now GREAT enough for you yet?

It's great enough for me. Way greater than the EU.

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Post by GardenLetter27 »

bufferoverflow wrote: post #259
epolanski wrote: post #236

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same Sarah Paine that speaks about how China lifted 1B+ people out of poverty and created tens of millions of millionaires?

Largely after abandoning damaging communist ideas and allowing private business to exist. China is no longer communist, it's this weird hybrid of capitalism with heavy government controls and heavy censorship.

In some areas China is even becoming more liberal than the EU.

Look at DeepSeek.

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Post by jjevanoorschot »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

An important distinction is that US and EU interests aligned on many important areas up until recently. So it was less of a subservient relationship, and more of a mutually beneficial one. Now that the US wants to turn it into a subservient relationship, the EU is naturally looking for other options.

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Post by navigate8310 »

grey-area wrote: post #258
lupusreal wrote: post #198

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Europe has cutting edge domestic military tech in almost all relevant categories but don't build enough of it to matter because until recently their people and governments haven't taken defense seriously. Europe doing so now is good for America because it reduces the risk of Americans once again dying in yet another European war.

World War II was not a European war, the clue is in the name.

I don't think third world even wanted anything to do with it.

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Post by MrJohz »

dachworker wrote: post #267
iammjm wrote: post #118

Europeans were perfectly happy to buy American tech und military exports, thus earning U.S. money and making EU technologically and politically dependent from the U.S. - it really was perfect for the U.S. But the US decided that it was actually a BAD DEAL and they wanted to extort even more money and dependence from EU. So now EU is investing in their own tech and military, thus reducing the amount of money US is get…

There is a weird attitude among European elites where on the one hand, they point out how European countries have always been in a subservient position within the American sphere of influence, but then, instead of cheering that this era is ending, they seem to be all upset about it and want their collar to be put back on. Help me understand this. To me it seems that maybe the interests of EU elites differ from the in…

Can you give some examples of this attitude? I'm not sure I've seen that behaviour anywhere, and it's very difficult to look up examples when your description is so vague.

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Post by deadlydose »

tossandthrow wrote: post #206
deadlydose wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> initiated by the US While I don't approve, didn't the EU charge the US tariffs that were twice as high as what the US charged the EU?

I am not aware of such. My intuition is that it was relatively balanced (taking services into account, where the US is big due to Google, MS, and friends). But I stand corrected if there are some good sources.

I don't usually reply to replies but I was asking because I'm not sure. About a decade ago I was looking into the 'Chicken tax' and went down a tariff rabbit hole. A cursory search now is quite difficult due to all of the recent news and changes. And also millionshort seems to require an account now to do advanced searches. So about the best I could do is ask ChatGPT for a chart comparing average tariff rates by sector for the US and EU before 2016. But I'd rather not.

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Post by pbhjpbhj »

mixermachine wrote: post #229
pjmlp wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for the overview, naturally tarifs might change that, see Canada, no US products any longer on big chains.

Coca-Cola is mostly produced locally. Atleast the mixing of Sirup and bottling is. I personally don't know if they ship their sirup around the world.

But, AIUI, usually the profits get exported via IP payments to the parent companies host nation.
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