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Singapore and Australia might also be on the list.

Unless you make a mistake of bringing cannabis.

If you’re saying that being able to legally bring cannabis into a country is a test for whether the IETF can host their meetings there… I don’t know if that is accurate.

Sure, Singapore has draconian laws when it comes to narcotics. But surely everyone attending will be aware of this? It’s been widely reported over the decades how foreign nationals have gotten life sentences or even the death penalty for drug running. What I’m saying is that Singapore are up front about it and it’s not enforced arbitrarily. Leaving your personal stash at home and abstaining for a few days should hopefully not be too difficult for the attendant engineers.

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I mentioned this elsewhere, but the U.S. is already denying entry visas for transgender travellers, either as a follow-up to this E.O. or based on the same principles as it. This doesn't seem hysterical to me.

This is just misinformation. Requiring factually accurate sex information to be submitted is not the same as discriminating against some group. It’s just common sense. EDIT - response to defrost’s comment below: The Australian passport doesn’t require fatally accurate information per your own link: > Customers who identify as a gender other than male or female (intersex, indeterminate, unspecified, non-binary) may re…

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Re: Boycott IETF 127

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Reminds me of [1] from 2013, and [2][3] from 2017. This is not new at all, just affecting more people, and more importantly, more Western people now. [1] https://www.theguardian.com/science/2013/oct/05/us-scientist... [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14643467 [3] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24369233 Clarification: the “not new” part is foreign attendees not being able to attend conferences in the U.S…

Being detained is way worse than being denied entry. > I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet. > The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... How i…

> I just don't understand why some people are so blind to the ongoing abuse of power. What a shame!

They're not blind to it. They either like it and want it (sometimes because they benefit from it), or they're indifferent to it because it doesn't affect them personally. I know — it's really hard to appreciate the mindset of people with no empathy.

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Being detained is way worse than being denied entry. > I was then placed in a real jail unit: two levels of cells surrounding a common area, just like in the movies. I was put in a tiny cell alone with a bunk bed and a toilet. > The best part: there were blankets. After three days without one, I wrapped myself in mine and finally felt some comfort. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/mar/19/canadian-det... How i…

> I just don't understand why some people are so blind to the ongoing abuse of power. What a shame! They're not blind to it. They either like it and want it (sometimes because they benefit from it), or they're indifferent to it because it doesn't affect them personally. I know — it's really hard to appreciate the mindset of people with no empathy.

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Wondering why this is flagged. Sure, it's politics, but it's also a serious issue on one of the major internet SDOs. It's certainly relevant for "good hackers"?

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@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

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Maybe? But the US is a weird two-bubble system in which "you're either with us or against us" is held to be true by most people. Which is why a sane 3rd option isn't available on the voting card. And it's why "being pro-Trump" is not the only reason one might flag that post.

Outside the US, where a completely polarisation hatred between just two parties is not the norm, there are people who can agree with their opponents on some issues. MANY people outside the US hate Trump and think that he's screwing up America, the global economy, world peace, their pension etc, but they might still be able to agree with him on some things.

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@dang Why is this flagged? Even without the politics, knowing that a large cohort is not going to attend in an important piece of information.

This is insane, everything that criticize US and current gov is flagged. Really disappointing and frightening. As a European citizen who reads European news, it was really strange not to see topics about the deterioration of US relations with its allies and its closer ties with Russia on this site. It was major news in the EU and completely silent here.

To be fair, most of those are news, not hacker news. But I suspect the hacker relevant ones also got that treatment.

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Israel uses threats to reveal sexual orientation in order to gain and control informants in Palestine, which increases distrust of and threatens gay people in Palestine, in adition to regular homophobia.

Special targeting and persecution, due to their position in society, is not something a gay friendly country would do to gay people.

Eg. this is a statement about what one Palestinian civilian organization that deals with sexual diversity in Palestine has to say about the topic of sexual diversity:

http://www.alqaws.org/news/Reflecting-on-Queerness-in-Times-...

> The footage that we have been witnessing regularly, of Israeli soldiers posing with their rainbow flags and other Western gay symbols atop the ruins of our society, alongside genocidaires boasting about their sexual abuse, torture, and rape of Palestinian men, women, and children, only affirms what the Palestinian queer movement has been saying for decades: the Zionist colonial enterprise is predicated on the sexual abuse of Palestinians. Adopting an anticolonial, anticapitalist queer framework in understanding our reality is not merely an option, but a necessity.

http://www.alqaws.org/articles/URGENT-APPEAL-to-ILGA-World-R...

> The Israeli state would not have been able to pinkwash its crimes without the aid of Israeli LGBTQ groups. These groups work closely with the Israeli government, army, intelligence institutions, and local municipalities. They have co-developed pinkwashing as a colonial tool by promoting racist myths about Palestinian society, framing Palestinian queers as victims of our “supposedly homophobic” society, and participating actively in destroying and erasing our queer movement.

Nowhere in there is any admiration of or inspiration by supposedly "gay-friendly" Israel, which is strange given that it would be the closest gay friendly country to Palestine, right?

And also a friendly reminder that Israel killed at least ~2400 gays incl. ~1000 gay children since Oct 7 and continues to kill them daily.

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Whataboutism isn't starting a dialogue, you're trying to shut it down - perhaps peruse the community guidelines before posting.

Oh yes, the Guidelines:

"Be kind. Don't be snarky. Converse curiously; don't cross-examine. Edit out swipes."

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"Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. It tramples curiosity."

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