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Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you…

That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.

you usually don't need a collaborative product when taking note for yourself

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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post #246

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No, it doesn't. First, you create the tools you need with the money your people give you. Then, you give back the tools you created to the public and/or everyone who needs them. You keep your data in your own data center, use the tools which squarely fills the needs of your workers and people, and you share its maintenance with the outside users. It's a win-win-win (country, its workers, people in the world). WWW is…

> We shouldn't be afraid of governments doing cool things Yes! And you'd be surprised by the kind of talent we're able to attract. People want cool stuff to be built by the public. After all its also their money that's being spent. But you need to provide the right environment for their talent not to go waste and thats not easy.

> And you'd be surprised by the kind of talent we're able to attract.

I know. I work with some of them at a national HPC/Supercomputer center.

The environment is super important, too. You’re spot on at that regard.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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All the projects are already open sourced actually, but admittedly all don't have documentation as good as docs or meet. Still a wip :)

Cool! Are they under a different GitHub org? I couldn't find grist or tchap

The open-source project Grist Core (https://github.com/gristlabs/grist-core) is developed in the United States, with contributions from some French gov tech team.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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post #270

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All the projects are already open sourced actually, but admittedly all don't have documentation as good as docs or meet. Still a wip :)

Cool! Are they under a different GitHub org? I couldn't find grist or tchap

Tchap is based on Matrix and Element, https://github.com/element-hq

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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post #270

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All the projects are already open sourced actually, but admittedly all don't have documentation as good as docs or meet. Still a wip :)

Cool! Are they under a different GitHub org? I couldn't find grist or tchap

Some of the projects are on this org https://github.com/numerique-gouv/ but there are way more projects that the suite numerique there

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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"Docs" isn't that generic. It's not even a word in the dictionary. It's the plural of an abbreviation. Nobody called a word processor "Docs" before Google did. If you say "open Calendar", I don't know if you mean Apple or Google or Microsoft. If you say "open Docs", I know it's Google and only Google. This is no different than if the project called itself "Word", which would be equally confusing with Microsoft. Neith…

Docs and Word are both generic words that need a qualification like Google Docs or Microsoft Word. Otherwise they could be Open Docs or Open Word (not sure if that exists, maybe Libre Word?). Same with Books. It could be Google Books, Facebook, or Open Books.

> Otherwise they could be Open Docs or Open Word (not sure if that exists, maybe Libre Word?).

No, they couldn't. That's why there isn't any Open Docs or Libre Word word processor.

That's very specifically why it's Libre Writer. Why it's FreeOffice TextMaker. Why it's FocusWriter and Writemonkey and whatever else.

A major part of trademark law is likelihood of confusion. Both Docs and Word are associated so strongly with Google and Microsoft, that a judge is almost certainly going to side with them if you try to call your new word processor Docs or Word.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Personally, even if this software wouldn't be 1:1 capable of replacing the established players, it still feels like a good idea. With how much people (rightfully) complain about how open source is underfunded and with how often we're forced into borderline exploitative dealings with the established players in the market (the likes of MS Office, Adobe products, Atlassian products, even some Oracle stuff), funding the…

Notion is not an example of delightful software and it is very much one of the most reproducible apps ever. I don't know how they managed to make it fashionable amongst startups, but it's certainly not because it's an innovative product.

please name some open source (or lower priced) alternatives that support: comments on documents, database functionality to a similar level, publishing websites, scripting for properties. I'm very curious!

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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Why is it better that 5 private companies make the same product and compete against each other in marketing? Why should the government buy a product from them, and spend lots of money to tailor it to their needs, without even owning the finished product?

Where do governments get their money from? Taxes on economic activity. The more economic activity the government performs itself, the less opportunity there is to raise tax revenue. Take this through to its logical conclusion and you have the government owning farms, making food, making its own steel, building its own cars, etc. with a corresponding loss of revenue-raising activity in the real economy.

From my understanding, most European governments purchase American or other foreign-owned software, which often does not contribute to tax revenues in the countries where it is used.

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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post #203

I just cannot understand the appeal of these browser based note taking apps. Notion, Obsidian, Outline? Is it the collaboration feature? Why not just use Google Docs or equivalent? For notes, I don't see the appeal of having a browser interface. I just put my notes in a text file. No protocol, just search for text strings or text tags. If I need hierarchical organization, I use directories. What am I missing out on?

> I just cannot understand the appeal of these browser based note taking apps. Notion, Obsidian, Outline? Is it the collaboration feature? Why not just use Google Docs or equivalent?

Google docs is also browser based? And obviously not foss or self-hostable.

Are you saying "why does Google have docs app in addition to a note taking app?" (Google docs vs Google Keep, Microsoft Word vs Microsoft OneNote etc?)

Re: Docs – Open source alternative to Notion or Outline

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post #107

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Honestly it's a reasonable set of dependencies: * Postgres for permanent storage * an OIDC identity provider so you don't have to make your own password system * Redis for caching * S3-compatible object storage (so you don't have to reinvent file uploads) * The app itself What would you rather them do? Waste time reinventing the wheel for no reason? If you have the IDP and object storage setup already figured out you…

That's a typical tech answer. Do you really want to spin up 10 images for note taking for yourself? From a product standpoint that's not sensible and wastes way to much resources.

Why do I care how many images it's spinning up? That's an implementation detail - I just copy/paste a docker-compose configuration.
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