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Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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so apparently I've witnessed a new device category being born. Not a mobile, not a laptop. Which has neither the rights and obligations of real computer nor of the mobile phone. It is something new (A TABLET) and will not let me handle my photos on it as I could handle them on my phone, it wouldn't let me browse pages as if this was laptop (even though I put it in the orientation the same as my laptop had) etc. etc.…

Don't most browsers have a "Desktop site" option you can turn on to tell websites you want the desktop version? It seems weird to blame your device for websites' bad decisions, especially when your device goes out of its way to allow you to force websites to correct their mistake.

It’s the whole entire industry making things broken and user-hostile.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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This was all over the place. The article itself seemingly bares no relation to the headline. Replacing your laptop with a tablet and then complaining that the tablet cannot do the same things as the laptop was a slightly interesting take in 2010. The iPad has now been around for 15 years. A tech journalist being surprised it doesn't have a terminal with root access at this point is baffling.

Google Pixel tablet now has a Debian Linux terminal VM that is isolated from the host Android OS. Apple iPad had VM capability three years ago, but removed it. They could restore that functionality in 2025 to compete with Pixel tablet, which has weaker hardware.

> Apple iPad had VM capability three years ago, but removed it.

It definitely did not.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Pretty much nailed it. Touchscreen devices are not for creating; they're for taking what you're given. They require big fat buttons for big fat fingers, which you poke like a trained pigeon to get your food pellet.

Largely true, although I'm still blown away when I read about someone who has written whole pieces of software from their phone, on their bus ride to work or something.

Absolutely heroic to do that in spite of the multiple, aggressive attempts by Apple (etc) to try to make that effectively impossible.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

Make that "two-decades-old" at least for a Land Cruiser ;-)

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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As a person who just entered the latter ecosystem as a matter of peer compatibility, after 10 years of Linux, it's miserable and I wish I could go back to what you have. Even with how blighted X86 feels, it feels even worse to have a computer that couldn't do what you wanted to and has the audacity to complain at you that it knows better and you shouldn't be able to alter certain parts of it

I switched my personal laptop to a M1 Macbook Pro (from a Thinkpad running Linux, also after almost 10 years) in 2020, mostly because I had switched to an iPhone a few months prior and was using a Macbook for work. It was certainly convenient most of the time - most features I wanted worked out of the box, and most dev tools could be managed by homebrew (at least well enough). But annoyances slowly stacked up over ti…

glad to see it's not just me in this exact predicament. I'm thinking I'll switch to a device next that also supports cell modems because apple gave me a taste for it while not granting the greatest stability

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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This was all over the place. The article itself seemingly bares no relation to the headline. Replacing your laptop with a tablet and then complaining that the tablet cannot do the same things as the laptop was a slightly interesting take in 2010. The iPad has now been around for 15 years. A tech journalist being surprised it doesn't have a terminal with root access at this point is baffling.

15 years later, still can't open it, still don't own it.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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"My decade-old and very well-travelled Toyota Land Cruiser finally died, and I hoped my new-ish ebike could replace it." How that article sounds. I don't care how fancy they make them, iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work.

That’s a revealing comparison: a largeish chunk of SUV owners really would be better off with a cargo e-bike. Lots of people on the road every day driving solo in an SUV with nothing more than some grocery bags in the trunk. They could be riding a cargo e-bike, saving a ton of money, and having a better time.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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This was all over the place. The article itself seemingly bares no relation to the headline. Replacing your laptop with a tablet and then complaining that the tablet cannot do the same things as the laptop was a slightly interesting take in 2010. The iPad has now been around for 15 years. A tech journalist being surprised it doesn't have a terminal with root access at this point is baffling.

It’s not “being surprised,” it’s being frustrated with the user hostile decisions of a multi-trillion dollar profit maximizing machine.

I don't understand the resistance to understanding this point littered all over this thread.

Yes - an iPad is a different form factor than a desktop. That doesn't excuse crippling a powerful general purpose device by taking control away from the owner.

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Here is an alternate example:

My Jeep is in the shop, I need to pick my kids up from their friends house, but the last mile is a dirt road.

My minivan isn't ideal for that, but it'll almost certainly work. Except... the manufacturer has locked it down via GPS so that the second I leave roads paved to their satisfaction, the accelerator stops working.

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That's the fucking hostility of Apple. It's not that the device can't. It's that they won't allow it.

And folks... buckle the fuck up because this road is JUST getting started. We are going to witness a complete and total war on general purpose tools. No one is going to let you use their tool unless they're extracting rent from you.

One time purchases, ownership, novel use? Fuck that noise. Pay them your rent. The company store is thirsty.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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> The only reason that "iPads are just unserious computing devices for real work" is because Apple chooses to limit them. That’s their choice to make. As consumers it’s on us to make the right choices. What the author wants is a laptop not an iPad if they want a general purpose computing device The article is just a way to poke the giant that is Apple just like we used to when we wrote Micro$oft

What the author wants is a 2-in-1. The iPad is that, it's just hobbled to be a really bad laptop. All the hardware pieces are there, the power, the keyboard/trackpad accessory, the touch screen, the pen. If you go look at the marketing for the iPad line it really does seem like maybe you can do anything with them. It's only once you get serious that it all falls apart due to the software. The iPad Pro was designed to…

So get educated on its limitations and shop accordingly. Not sure why that’s so hard for folks.

I wish my iPads were more like laptops. But I’m not Tim Cook and I bought one anyway. So I didn’t vote with my wallet and I don’t have enough money to buy enough shares to vote with my money.

What I can do is buy something more appropriate or even something else entirely like a Surface.

Re: Apple has locked me in the same cage Microsoft's built for Windows 10 users

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Exactly. Folks downvoting my comment are effectively saying “no I think everything thing should do everything. It has a CPU that can run MacOS then it should! Open up the os, let me do whatever I want. Let me impose my thoughts on a private company. Rawr!” When instead just don’t buy the iPad if that’s what you want. The MacBook Air is what you want. Or… adapt your computing to use the iPad as it was designed. The sp…

We live in a world where the production of computers is largely guided by economies of scale, so if a handful of big companies lock down their hardware (and they do) that reduces my options significantly. Apple is one of the largest computer companies and sells some of the fastest hardware on the market, yet it's totally gimped by their market segmentation. That space could easily be occupied by a different kind of c…

And? You could go protest in front of Apple holding signs saying open up the iPad or make the iPad run macOS. Or… buy a laptop.
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