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Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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those gasoline taxes currently pay for roads. and EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight.

> EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight Only if you trade in a gasoline SUV for an electric SUV. A hatchback EV weighs about as much as a compact SUV, and is cheaper to buy and operate.

Right, but it's not apples to apples. And what about all those people driving ICE sedans?

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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"Having no car at all should be viable and we should build toward that." Yeah its sounds great until you need mass transport system to support this idea which means only mega cities can benefit the most when tier 2 and tier 3 cities is having a hard time investment see: japan

Tokyo has a great subway system (for the most part--there are locations that aren't that well served) and there's good train service between many moderate-sized cities in Japan. But my experience is that, once you get to a city outside of Tokyo, the public transportation options aren't great.

I’ve personally never felt like I needed a car in fukuoka, osaka, or kyoto. What places did you have a bad experience at?

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Moderators should fix the title and add "in 2018" to the end, as it's on the chart itself. Omitting "in 2018" part changes message completely and is misleading.

How is it misleading? It would be impossible for someone to credibly claim something peaked in 2024, for example. So it must be some time in the past (and 2018 is not very long ago).

It just reads as present tense. Your point is valid. However, there are going to be how many eye balls that don’t read past the headline and don’t think deeply on it, but now have the impressions that they are currently at a peak

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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The "electric" share here includes plug-in hybrids which, if we're nitpicking, have an internal combustion engine. Doesn't affect the overall conclusion as even if they were all hybrids the number of cars with internal combustion would still be lower. I'm very, very bullish on EVs, they're going to take over the world rapidly but this graph isn't great support as you can't see the exponential rise very well and it's…

That chart used is very low information dense, reducing cars to "electric" and "non-electric", but that's an oversimplification. There's hybrids and plug-in hybrids like you said, hydrogen, pressured air (ok that one never took off), and of course different types of fuel like petrol, diesel and LPG.

I looked into building a compressed air remote controlled boat for fun, to use on a nearby lake where I was worried about putting batteries on something that might sink.

It is monstrously inefficient. A scuba tank might power a vehicle for a half hour tops, though I forget the exact numbers. Scuba tanks are huge and heavy for small hobby vehicles.

I'd love to pick it back up are there other options here?

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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The problem with electric cars is charging infrastructure in cites. An electric bike or scooter can be brought indoors to charge.

Always thought that the parking meters should be changed out for chargers that act as parking meters too. City would get more money and the infrastructure would be there to help with downtown charging. Duel use meters would still allow ICE to use the them too. As EVs become more popular, big name stores should start adding a few chargers to their parking lots. Apartment complexes could add them to entice maximum capa…

It would be extremely expensive to replace every parking meter with a charger.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Moderators should fix the title and add "in 2018" to the end, as it's on the chart itself. Omitting "in 2018" part changes message completely and is misleading.

It would be misleading if sales peaked in 2018, then fell, and have subsequently surpassed the 2018 peak. That's not what happened though. And reporting "sales have peaked" 6 years after the peak is reasonable - doing so 2 years after the peak would be premature. I still support adding it to the title, because it's even more impressive.

The timeframe is even more important due to the macro environment of the past six years - one might have credibly suggested 2019 was a fluke and that 2020-2021 was obviously a major outlier on many fronts, but the trend keeps going into the latest years they have data for, which combined with the increase in EV sales makes 2018 as Peak Internal Combustion pretty much irrefutable from the vantage point of early 2025.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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Not at all. Transport is great for families. Get your groceries delivered. Cargo bikes exist as well.

Delivered groceries are more expensive, not everyone can afford the prices plus the expected tip. A beater auto is affordable for most families. People with dough won’t mind the extra expense, that’s usually a given.

A cheap car costs around 300€ per month (including taxes, repairs, loss of value, etc.), or way more if you drive a lot or if you have a car that is new-ish. I don't think that 4-8 deliveries per month would cost more than 80€ per month in delivery cost. Also, what's keeping you from going shopping by bike? We do it all the time.

Re: Global sales of combustion engine cars have peaked

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> EVs put more strain on roads due to their increased weight Only if you trade in a gasoline SUV for an electric SUV. A hatchback EV weighs about as much as a compact SUV, and is cheaper to buy and operate.

Right, but it's not apples to apples. And what about all those people driving ICE sedans?

What about them? 10 years ago the best-selling vehicle in the US was a sedan. Today it's a pickup truck. Nobody said boo about road damage. It's a made-up reason to hate on EVs.
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