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Zelensky leaves White House after angry meeting

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Post by pcj-github »

temporallobe wrote: post #164

I am an independent and Trump supporter. I generally like his shows of strength, but I didn’t like the confrontational nature of this exchange. It lacked diplomacy and respect. Trump yelling things like “you’re gambling with World War 3” was inappropriate and aggressive, especially considering he was a guest. This caused an unprecedented tension between wrokd leaders on live TV and in my opinion has the potential to…

I just honestly cannot fathom how you voted for this person and somehow surprised by this. Were you just not paying attention since 2016?

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Post by daedrdev »

seydor wrote: post #82

It looks like the US wants a regime change in Ukraine, it's possible that this became a pre condition from russia for talks to go forward. OTOH, a minerals deal with the US ensures that the US will have a stake in defending the postwar ukraine. Lots of drama and optics involved for sure, but it seems the outcome or the talks was predetermined JdVance will not last for long - is there procedure to replace him?

Vance has even better chances of lasting the entire term after his pro-Russia performance today.

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Post by IncreasePosts »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #174

That’ll be water for the Russian propaganda. America, what have you chosen. It’s clear you have a Russian insurgent in the White House. They have already started dismantling the government. Next they’ll shake up the military. Every totalitarian regime shakes up the military.

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Post by nahuel0x »

There are two opposing strategies for the US:

- Be aggressive against China allies to weaken them before attacking China (Biden)

- Try to be friendlier to China allies so they become US allies or at least neutral (Trump)

We are seeing oscillations between those two strategies, because both US factions are playing his cards according to what both see at the end of the tunnel: A new World War with US and China as the main actors, the most probable outcome of imperialism and capitalism crisis. The Trade war is his first act.

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Post by empath75 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #2

This is how NATO replaces the US with Ukraine. Kicking the US out of Five Eyes is likely next.

I actually think Europe has a lot of levers to pull in terms of manipulating American politics and public opinion that they have thus far refrained from engaging in, and I, as an American, think they should be much bolder about speaking directly to the American people.

I don't think that ordinary diplomacy is going to work here. The US is in the middle of a totalitarian coup, and that should be called out by our friends and allies more forcefully.

Stop trying to ingratiate yourself with Trump. He doesn't deserve it and you won't get anything out of it but humiliation.

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Post by jiriknesl »

duxup wrote: post #72

I wish the EU was more ... united. Most of the nations were woefully slow to act with Ukraine (hey let's send some token helmets). They've got a totalitarian regime invading democracies in their back yard but don't seem all that united about it ....

You assume EU united would act strongly in favour of Ukraine. But there's no guarantee of that. There are significant differences in how for example, Poland approaches Ukraine with how Germany does it.

I think, nations with bad historic experience with Russia support Ukraine significantly more.

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lun4r wrote: post #47

If I were American, I’d be sick with shame. As a European, I’m disgusted—not just by your leadership, but by your silence. Your country is spiraling into disgrace, yet you sit there, watching, complaining online, doing nothing. Where is your outrage? Where are the millions in the streets forcing change? By staying silent, you are complicit. Just like the Russians who let Putin tighten his grip for decades, you are le…

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Post by emadabdulrahim »

hayst4ck wrote: post #141

The American government has been compromised by Russia. It no longer represents American interests, but Russian interests. Whether the senior powers in America are compromised, complicit, or opportunist, it doesn't matter. America is being damaged. Russian interests are being prioritized over American interests. Our military is too powerful for direct conflict, so alternative conflict against our political structure…

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