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Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ashu1461 »

chmod775 wrote: post #170

Title is a complete lie/misleading. They get a license, not ownership. Let's dissect what it actually says, and we do it backwards, because given the discussion around this subject it seems like people space out or have their mind clouded by outrage before they get to the end of the sentence: > help you [do things] as you indicate with your use of Firefox. So this already only covers things that you indicate you want…

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b...

This commit says that they can know sell your data as well, which does look beyond using them for improving their software

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by koolala »

maxrmk wrote: post #192

I think this probably isn't as big of a deal as people are making it out to be. But I find a certain kind of joy in Mozilla being judged on the worst possible interpretation of their terms of service, since they do that to others _all the time_ [1]. [1] https://foundation.mozilla.org/en/privacynotincluded/

They sell your data now. Their strings are pulled.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by lcnPylGDnU4H9OF »

koakuma-chan wrote: post #197
chmod775 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they cannot. You're replying to a comment where I've broken the sentence down into smaller parts. It's the best I can do.

How is "to help you navigate, experience, and interact with online content" different from "to do anything we want with it"?

My browser sent a request that starts with “POST” in order to tell this website to create this comment but it includes the words that I wrote and therefore “own” as far as copyright is concerned. Mozilla requests a license to send such data to websites in similar contexts as, in this case, I “indicate” by clicking the “reply” button.

Other uses of that data are not licensed. For example, using that data in an unrelated request they send to themselves, not indicated by clicking reply, is not licensed.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by thisislife2 »

erikbye wrote: post #223

Switched to Vivaldi long time ago. For reasons like this, ToS, Mozilla changing their mission, etc. Vivaldi respects your privacy, supports Chrome extensions, and all the customizations you'd ever need.

Vivaldi is probably the most ethical company making a for-profit browser now. But note that because it is a for-profit it tracks your installation, with an anonymous but unique id, and phones home every time you use the browser. There were complains about this in the forum, but Vivaldi said they had to do that to know how many unique users they have, to make browser deals with other companies. They refused to change that and instead suggested that interested parties could use an application firewall to block those connections from Vivaldi.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by ikr678 »

tavavex wrote: post #199
Mistletoe wrote: post #155

Earlier quoted context omitted.

We are under an attack by Puritanism that is quite astounding actually. And no one is doing anything. Everyone just keeps bending the knee. https://www.reddit.com/r/MapPorn/comments/1hqqpbt/newest_ver... Some of the things that are happening are just from the threat of “something bad might come down from the new administration”. It’s so ridiculous.

The squeeze on any content that religious people find 'yucky' is double-pronged in the US - encouraged both by governments and businesses. Paypal, Visa, Mastercard et al are given complete discretion over what transactions they can block, and they have already extensively used this to deprive legal NSFW platforms and creators of their income. So, on one end, state governments are trying to strongarm NSFW services by…

I dont think the pressure from payment processors is because of puritanism, but rather payments in this space tend to come with a much higher % of fraud and chargebacks and they've decided it's not worth the risk.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by im3w1l »

I think it's time to bring this to the attention of the EU. The browser race to the bottom may be somewhat acceptable for entertainment, but it is my firm opinion that accessing online government services and banking infrastructure necessary for a modern life shouldn't require me to accept such terms.

Re: Introducing a terms of use and updated privacy notice for Firefox

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Post by rvz »

cute_boi wrote: post #179

https://github.com/mozilla/bedrock/commit/d459addab846d8144b... They removed this: { "@type": "Question", "name": "Does Firefox sell your personal data?", "acceptedAnswer": { "@type": "Answer", "text": "Nope. Never have, never will. And we protect you from many of the advertisers who do. Firefox products are designed to protect your privacy. That’s a promise. " } },

> "That’s a promise."

That always has been a lie, ever since they accepted Google's money.

Now due to the anti-trust lawsuit, 'principles' don't pay the bills. Now you are seeing that Firefox doesn't care about the privacy of its users.

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