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Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by wkat4242 »

zx8080 wrote: post #202
InsideOutSanta wrote: post #179

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I'm not colorblind, but I'm older, and I can't read the kind of low-contrast stuff I wouldn't even notice as being low-contrast in my 20s or 30s.

An honest interest, have you tried a dark mode on any device? Every time I tried it (sometimes as a new default setting after update for some JetBrains IDE), I did not like it at all for some reason as too much eye stress.

I use it a lot, even though it's supposed to be bad for me (astigmatism).

I am very used to it though, as I started out when computers just showed green (or amber) text on a black background. And those displays could also be tuned much better than current ones. I have an old serial terminal that I can set so low I can barely make out the text in a pitch-black room, and it can go so bright that it is readable in a sunlit room. A lot of flexibility was lost with the move to LCD (and even more with Amoled, which suffers from black smearing at low brightness, and usually really bad PWM).

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by euamotubaina »

xanderlewis wrote: post #262
npteljes wrote: post #242

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The 'Universe' wikipedia page in Japanese is this: "宇宙" https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E5%AE%87%E5%AE%99 "宇宙" seems to be pronounced "Uchū" by google translate. So uchu seems to very much translate to "universe". Maybe it's just not as fashionable to use in a documentary? I can't comment on universe vs universal.

I already pointed this out above. It translates to ‘universe’ as in ‘space’ but not really ‘universe’ in the sense of ‘universal’. Anyway… this business of translating individual words is basically nonsense.

In practice, language has no bounds or rules. You can literally name anything you want with any name you feel appropriate. This cultural gatekeeping is so pedantic

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by culi »

xanderlewis wrote: post #260
culi wrote: post #252

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Pinterest names their design system "Gestalt" but they're not a German company. GitLab names theirs "Pajamas" but they're not primarily Urdu speaking.

Your second example is a bit disingenuous since the word ‘pyjamas’ is a perfectly normal English word, regardless of its etymology. As for the first: there isn’t a silly trend of naming everything after randomly-chosen German words, so at least it’s fairly original.

I picked the second example exactly to elicit a response such as yours.

It's ultimately a word from a foreign language. At some point it got used by English-speakers and then it spread and got used more and more.

Lots of foreign words get used. Some catch on and some don't. That's just how language evolves. Pajamas is just an example of a foreign word in a late stage of this evolution

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by NetOpWibby »

rambambram wrote: post #8

Love the web(b) page! I guess you also use your color palette there? P.S. Subscribed to the RSS feed, but I noticed it's not auto detectable from main URL.

I fixed my feeds, all three of them had issues SMH!

That's what I get for importing modules.

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by NetOpWibby »

flockonus wrote: post #270
NetOpWibby wrote: post #49

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Huh, that'd be interesting. I'll try that out. You mean so it'd be persistent/visible with the scroll?

yup, i should have said for all section titles

I like it! Just updated my homepage, thanks for the suggestion!

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by Etherlord87 »

d1sxeyes wrote: post #164
flir wrote: post #151

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Colour blindness (to take a single issue) is commonly quoted at about 4.5% globally (exact percentage varies by ethnicity so it varies by country). Your "0.5%" figure wildly underestimates the issue IMO. I agree that local settings should override. But lets start with something legible and override with finely-graduated pastels, not the other way around (as part of a wider push towards good UX defaults). (Using a hig…

4.5% includes everyone with some level of colourblindness, but total colourblindness is much, much smaller (at least by a couple of orders of magnitude). In terms of demographics, women are much less strongly impacted (around 0.5%), and Caucasian men the highest with almost 10%. Addressing an issue that affects 10% of a particular demographic (especially when that demographic is over represented on the internet in ge…

By total colourblindness do you mean achromatopsia? It's like hearing someone says 42% of Americans have obesity and making a remark this may be true to some level of obesity, but TOTAL OBESITY is much much smaller, at least by a couple of orders of magnitude :D

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by nakasyou »

BalinKing wrote: post #103
gamedever wrote: post #53

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"uchu" translates closer to "space" (spaceship -> uchusen), (alien -> uchujin), "I want to go to outerspace" -> "uchi e ikitai". You can't sub universe in those. Yes, a dictionary may use that translation, but watch a space documentary and they won't use "uchu" by itself for "universe". Also, in English, "universal" and "universe" are clearly related, but in Japanese, the concept of "universal" has almost nothing in…

Genuine question as an amateur, what would be a better translation for "universe" than 宇宙?

As a native Japanese, we think it means "universe" when I hear it. And in my opinion there are no people who think it means "universal".

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by d1sxeyes »

Etherlord87 wrote: post #277
d1sxeyes wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

4.5% includes everyone with some level of colourblindness, but total colourblindness is much, much smaller (at least by a couple of orders of magnitude). In terms of demographics, women are much less strongly impacted (around 0.5%), and Caucasian men the highest with almost 10%. Addressing an issue that affects 10% of a particular demographic (especially when that demographic is over represented on the internet in ge…

By total colourblindness do you mean achromatopsia? It's like hearing someone says 42% of Americans have obesity and making a remark this may be true to some level of obesity, but TOTAL OBESITY is much much smaller, at least by a couple of orders of magnitude :D

Not quite. I'm talking about monochromacy, which includes achromatopsia, but casts a slightly wider net.

Anyway, my main point is that although I'm technically colour blind, unless you're using particularly muddy shades of red and green, or particularly small splashes of colour, it doesn't matter too much. The key goal is to avoid colour-dependent design, but not to be afraid of colour either.

Re: Uchū – Color palette for internet lovers

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Post by pdabbadabba »

xanderlewis wrote: post #260
culi wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pinterest names their design system "Gestalt" but they're not a German company. GitLab names theirs "Pajamas" but they're not primarily Urdu speaking.

Your second example is a bit disingenuous since the word ‘pyjamas’ is a perfectly normal English word, regardless of its etymology. As for the first: there isn’t a silly trend of naming everything after randomly-chosen German words, so at least it’s fairly original.

'Gestalt,' like 'pajamas,' is also now an English-language word. (Though, admittedly, I think people use it with some level of awareness that it is borrowed from German. So it's different from 'pajamas' in that respect.)

I would have thought that the explanation for the phenomenon you highlight is obvious: there is a strong current of Japanophilia in U.S. culture generally, and especially among the tech-minded. So, while people borrow words from languages around the globe, Japanese is especially well represented. I'm surprised people seem reluctant to acknowledge this.

Edit: German is another interesting example. Though perhaps among different people and different reasons, English speakers (at least Americans) do also seem to have a special fondness for German words. Gestalt, zeitgeist, schadenfreude, ersatz, etc. For me, these are evocative of the golden age of German-language science and philosophy running roughly from Kant through Jung. For product names, though, German words may tend to be a bit too long and challenging to pronounce for an Anglophone audience. Perhaps this highlights another reason for the popularity of Japanese for this purpose: in addition to providing a pool of 'cool' sounding words without preexisting connotations for English speakers, Japanese seems to have an abundance of short words that an English speaker may find easily pronounceable. (Not to say that the words are necessarily pronounces correctly from the perspective of a Japanese speaker.)

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