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A Year of Telepathy

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by ArlenBales »

fliglr wrote: post #234
discordance wrote: post #56

Between 2018 and 2022 "the company has tested on and killed at least 1,500 animals — over 280 sheep, pigs, and monkeys, as well as mice and rats." [0] 0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neura...

Who cares. Do you want them to test on humans?

Give it time. Under President Musk it'll only be a matter of time until they invent a drug like the one used by Dr Cortazar's group in The Vital Abyss, eschewing ethics for scientific progression. I wouldn't be surprised if half the scientists under Musk's companies jump at the chance to use it, considering they still work for him while he dismantles American democracy (so their ethics are already questionable).

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

misja111 wrote: post #175
Philpax wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pulling out my vegetarian pass to say, without hypocrisy, that Neuralink's animal testing record appears to be pretty horrific.

If you're using non-vegan products such as soap, shampoo or certain medicines you are complicit to animal testing as well.

There is a plethora of animal testing-free bathroom products.

As for medicines, I’m not sure what to do about that. Where I draw the line in veganism is essentially where I’d die if I don’t eat the animal. If there’s a necessity, I think it makes some sense. Some medicines are a necessity for people. Yet I don’t like the idea of supporting companies which would likely be testing non-essential medicines on animals as well.

The world isn’t really configured for veganism

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by steve_adams_86 »

ralfd wrote: post #165
Philpax wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm pulling out my vegetarian pass to say, without hypocrisy, that Neuralink's animal testing record appears to be pretty horrific.

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I don’t agree with you at all. I’m not sure if you’re serious. In any case, a hypocrite can tell the truth. Someone eating a drumstick from KFC will still be correct if they claim that the system which got their chicken to them is an engine of murder and suffering, and it should stop.

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Post by hcurtiss »

Timwi wrote: post #174
zensavona wrote: post #57

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Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

Right, but neither irony nor hypocrisy means that it's wrong. Murder is wrong and if a murderer on death row says that murder is wrong they are still correct.

I suppose, but most people do not believe killing animals to benefit humans is wrong.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by ta988 »

llm_trw wrote: post #55
rezmason wrote: post #20

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As much as I like regaining autonomy, we should hold back those tears until a patient's implant outlasts a product cycle. I can't find the article to link to, but there's an ongoing issue with tech companies producing assistive devices or prosthetics and obsoleting them when the company pivots, gets bought or goes under. Corporate cyborg parts are an already-predicted nightmare, already taking place, unfolding in slo…

The simple solution is that all such devices must be submitted to a central government database and all blue prints, source code etc. will be released into the public domain is the company no longer supports the device or closes down.

This is indeed the solution for every industry. The main issue is that really often companies get bought with assets by another company that just let them rot. So you would need a provision that in case of non maintenance it should be released. But then they would fight you in court because they use specific code or design in a newer device and that would release it to the public... So while it would be the perfect solution for the patients I doubt our society is really organized to represent their rights and needs (and we see that with insurance as well)

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by some_random »

discordance wrote: post #56

Between 2018 and 2022 "the company has tested on and killed at least 1,500 animals — over 280 sheep, pigs, and monkeys, as well as mice and rats." [0] 0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neura...

I'm sorry but if you make me choose between 1,500 animals or improving the life of one single paralyzed human being, I am choosing the human every single time.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by foobiekr »

zensavona wrote: post #57
discordance wrote: post #56

Between 2018 and 2022 "the company has tested on and killed at least 1,500 animals — over 280 sheep, pigs, and monkeys, as well as mice and rats." [0] 0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neura...

Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

You should perhaps consider that most people would rather die than be tortured to death and perhaps we feel the same way about animals even if we eat meat - especially primates.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by [deleted] »

zensavona wrote: post #57
discordance wrote: post #56

Between 2018 and 2022 "the company has tested on and killed at least 1,500 animals — over 280 sheep, pigs, and monkeys, as well as mice and rats." [0] 0: https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/2022/12/11/23500157/neura...

Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

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Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by hcurtiss »

Llamamoe wrote: post #85
andsoitis wrote: post #65

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> taking away their ability to participate in society first, then selling it back to the richest of them is an ingenious business approach. That's not what is happening here. These tools (Neuralink and others) enable people who are disabled to participate more in society.

These tools need to be paid for. By people whose welfare is currently being taken away by the same man who owns NeuraLink.

Please. What is Musk doing to "these people"? The Musk invective on HN is so tiring.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by hcurtiss »

stackedinserter wrote: post #269
clarionbell wrote: post #222

Musk is a great example of how to ruin ones legacy. At this point, no matter what he does, how his companies perform, or even if this implant gives people back control of their bodies. Nothing will rid his work of the taint. It's tragic in a way. If he stuck to same playbook as practiced by many other early tech billionaires, spending his life on investing, philanthropy, himself and family, the world would probably n…

> Everything he has ever done, will now be viewed in much worse light. Viewed by whom? By you and a bunch of other neurotics that consumed too much CNN?

Agreed. The Musk invective on HN is just wild.
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