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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by sandworm101 »

tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> just want a luxury car that is grand, silent, feels nice, is nice to drive, and doesn't blast my eyes with screens.

'92 BMW 325IS. Coupe. Strait-six. RWD. 5-speed Manual. Cornered like on rails. Never once suprised me with a random shift at a dangerous moment. Had a great little trip computer. No screens. No bluetooth. About 7L/100km. I took it skiing. I took it rock climbing. It drove me to my exams. It drove me to my first real job. I slept in it more than want to admit. It had 320,000km on the clock when i had to sell it.

It was full of little optimizations, like how in fifth the speedo and tac would match each other. Or how the center console was angled about 25 degrees towards the driver so all the buttons were equidistant. Or how the armrest perfectly matched the shifter and the stiching on the steering wheel was positioned to give grip in the thumb hooks. Biult in germany, the dash was so simplified that it didnt have mph on the speedo, nor did it even have the letters "kph" or "rpm"... just numbers on a black background. If you need to be told which is which, you dont deserve to be driving such a car.

If you are listening BMW: I would pay a premium for a new biuld of that car. Everything i see at your dealerships, all your plastic cars, are total junk.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by wesselbindt »

musikele wrote: post #165

Let's remove Musk from the equation, because you can like or (most probably) hate him, but I own a Tesla and I have the opposite experience. Everything worked out of the box. Just one piece of hardware started to fail (the charger plug making some noise) and they changed it in warranty. First: has the author tried a tesla before buying one? I'd never buy a car without trying it. Because comparing it to a Clio just be…

Agreed, the quality of the product should speak for itself. We've got people saying they're unreliable, and we've got people saying they're reliable, and that's true for literally every car manufacturer on the planet, so this doesn't tell us much. Anecdotal stuff aside, there's studies done on these things, thankfully, and Tesla consistently ranks poorly. See for example this one (this is just the first one that popped up when I googled "car reliability study", it's probably better if you find your own sources):

https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-reliability-owner-s...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by refurb »

misja111 wrote: post #8

Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. But with Musk in the US government, I wonder how long it will take before there will be tariffs on foreign cars big enough to pretty much force US citizens to buy his Tesla's.

> Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world

Uhhh...he's selling 5x as many cars than than when Covid hit and nearly the peak of sales...ever?

https://cnevpost.com/2025/01/02/tesla-global-deliveries-q4-2...

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by flobosg »

4ndrewl wrote: post #34
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.

My mother used to drive a 1989 Corolla until 2005, when she bought another Corolla. Both are working without issues to this day.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by lnsru »

supermatt wrote: post #247
lnsru wrote: post #233

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So how do you start? Send a letter? Make a call? Serious question, how you force a megacorp to listen to your problems? Edit: there is this classical problem description at the very end of the article: “He promised me that on Monday, January 6, 2025, someone from the Sales Department would contact me.” And that’s the end. Nobody will listen to an individual. Lawyers know the back door and suddenly things start happen…

The easiest way is to just contact ECC-NET: https://commission.europa.eu/live-work-travel-eu/consumer-ri... They will inform you of your rights and tell you what to do next. Generally you need to register a grievance with the company and wait 28 days for resolution. If it is not resolved, then it depends on the form and value of grievance as to how it would proceed. In your example of BMW, for example, as it is below…

Thanks. Sounds reasonable. But I never solved anything without lawyer. After a letter from a lawyer everything is solved my way next day. There must be some magic.

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Post by tpm »

cafeinux wrote: post #22
misja111 wrote: post #8

Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. But with Musk in the US government, I wonder how long it will take before there will be tariffs on foreign cars big enough to pretty much force US citizens to buy his Tesla's.

I don't even understand how having a business magnate and CEO of multiple USA companies can get a job in their government without being obligated to resign from their CEO mandates and without it just being plainly illegal. At least when they were corrupting people they at least pretended they were in the clear. Yet again, with two Trump presidencies, I don't understand a lot about anything anymore.

For every rule you need someone who would enforce it. So if you first remove all the enforcers, then you can break all the rules and nothing* happens. And they have prepared for this moment for decades. At this moment it would be more surprising if they were somehow stopped.

* There might be a bit of a public outcry, but not too much because they have prepared for that too.

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Post by test1235 »

jemmyw wrote: post #191
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #118

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I'm afraid a lot of the tech is either necessary by law or necessary to get a decent safety rating these days, so you can't make the simple cars from yesteryear. Now, screens aren't required by law or safety ratings, but there's no getting around having a lot of software in there, and thus a screen to configure all that stuff.

Reversing cameras are required by law and they need a screen.

For new cars in the US (they're not required at all here in UK)

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Post by moltar »

bschwindHN wrote: post #174

I've lived in Japan for the past 10 years, where I didn't own a car the entire time. A year ago I moved to a place where a car is more or less needed. I bought a used 2015 kei car for around $2800 cash. It's awesome. There are zero screens, touch or not (not counting the instrument displays). Everything is operated with the old buttons and dials, though the windows are electrically operated. It has a 3.5mm stereo inp…

I resonate with you very much. I recently bought a 1991 Honda Civic for fun and I love it. So simple. So reliable.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by rightbyte »

viceroyalbean wrote: post #245
rightbyte wrote: post #235

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It feels a bit counterintuitive to go for a Bluetooth speaker over 3.5mm? Your low tech car will feel like a emotional prison. Of all the annoying modernities you want the worst one? If you want to make a deal with the devil I would choose rear camera. Think about it. All the headache and time to pair Bluetooth devices over a dead simple connector. I would aim for a pre 2016 car. I think that has some margin to the I…

I would prefer 3.5mm over Bluetooth, but keep in mind most people get their music off their phones and (almost?) no modern phones have headphone jacks. Dongles are a thing, but meh. Additionally, modern Bluetooth devices have very little friction in my experience.

Ye. Many modern phones are *@*$ too. My wife is still bitter about not having a 3.5mm jack on hers she unknowingly bought 5 years ago. So much trouble ...

However if more than one person will use the car (incl. as passanger) the annoyance of Bluetooth is even worse.

We have a dongle in the car that is protected by a sworn oath to never be removed from the cabinet along with some charger cables.

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Post by lccerina »

ps wrote: post #222

I have owned Model S since 2018, now driving my second one (Raven). The first one was just poor manufacturing Tesla has been known for forever. Second one is however the disaster. So many sounds while turning the steering wheel, driving on tiny slopes, braking etc. forced me to convince the service center to replace the suspension, arms & half-shafts (all under warranty). None of these steps helped, service center pr…

The error was to buy a second one after "the first one was just poor manufacturing". I never saw manufacturing quality improve over time from car companies.
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