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Post by kelipso »

groggo wrote: post #183
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress didn’t change its tune. PAFACA is supported by 80% of legislators. It has more support than virtually any other legislation.

I know it's stupid to get upset over an app like TikTok, but the ban really did shock me a little, even more so because of how widely supported it was. What party or politicians support individual freedom in this context? How could libertarians support banning an app?

I’t’s very clear now that it was the Palestine support among tiktok users that was the main reason. I’m guessing Israel issues typically get that level of support in congress.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by jpcom »

ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

How is this confusing? China spies on you. If you use an app that's tied directly to headquarters, headquarters can read what you think.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by aprilthird2021 »

Natsu wrote: post #89
mattmaroon wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The risk from TikTok is possibly not speculative at all. I think it’s quite likely the national security apparatus knows something and informed congressmen because they went from being opposed to it to being in favor of it in a short time.

I have no way of verifying it, but I heard from someone I believe to be connected enough to know things that TikTok is taking marching orders from the Chinese military.

But that's, imo, not a reason to ban it. When it comes to media, yes curated media like magazines, journals, newspapers, and social media, Americans have the right to consume whatever media they want (minus exceptions like CSAM). If Americans want to watch hours of CCP-edited brainrot scrolly videos, that's 100% our right. We were never supposed to be a country like China or India who bans websites just because they don't like them and because they think people are too stupid to surf the web on their own.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by rsync »

cyberax wrote: post #202
rsync wrote: post #190

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Genuinely curious - if one did not have any tooling at all (other than curl or wget or fetch, etc.) is there a one-liner to download only the deepseek model ? git clone --mirror ... ?

Yes, you need git with git lfs. Then just: `git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1 `

  ssh user@rsync.net git lfs install
  Password:
  Git LFS initialized.
... so far so good ...

  ssh user@rsync.net git clone https://huggingface.co/deepseek-ai/DeepSeek-R1
  Password:
  Cloning into 'DeepSeek-R1'...
... success.

Done in the spirit of the Streisand Effect but I suppose the protest is watered down by the fact that this account is in Zurich ...

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Post by kelipso »

dralley wrote: post #262
cscurmudgeon wrote: post #211

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The funny thing is Russia an China can claim to be less racist as they are homogenous societies.

... What? That is completely nonsense. Absolutely ludicrous. Neither Russia nor China are homogenous. Both have large Muslim minorities (and both are be pretty racist against them). Eastern Russians are not European descended and are looked down on by Western Russians. Tibetans are not Han Chinese. Even the Asian nations that actually are pretty "homogenous" like Japan and Korea are also famously pretty racist.

There are also a ton of other ethnic groups in China and the government just call them all Han Chinese. Tons of ethnic groups in Russia too. These are countries with very long histories that span a large area, with many areas that were multiple kingdoms, tribes, etc. Makes perfect sense that they would have a lot of different ethnic groups.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by chii »

dmix wrote: post #22
ijk wrote: post #7

On the one hand Hawley proposes a lot of things that don't ever get close to becoming law. On the other hand, we did ban TikTok (which is currently unavailable on the app stores because of the ban). I can think of few ways to more effectively destroy any US advantage in AI compared with the sheer efficiency of making it illegal to learn from what competing countries have achieved. From the article, it sounds like the…

Not sure it’s even worth speculating on a bill that’s merely been proposed. This one sounds DOA. But yeah TikTok ban was a very bad precedent, mostly because it was based on speculative risks, not hard proof of existing behaviour (TikTok not engaging didn't help at all either). Regardless of the merits I too hope it doesn’t have a ripple effect. National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want…

> National security is such a huge brush you could paint anything you want.

This exactly!

i think the tiktok ban ought to be considered unconstitutional.

Unless proof can be found that tiktok is being used by foreign actors to manipulate votes or some other shady shit (and only via tiktok itself, rather than a broad scheme that uses all social media), tiktok should not be banned. It is against the free speech that the US stands for.

If algorithmic manipulation of voters is considered a threat, then pass a law to social media companies that they must explain the algorithm etc, and audit it. It's exactly what GDPR mandates, in their automated decision making and profiling clauses (https://gdpr-info.eu/art-22-gdpr/). Therefore, this is not without precedent, and is also more effective at regulating social media, not just tiktok.

Therefore, the tiktok ban is performative. Like how the claims for DEI and such are performative.

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by chii »

groggo wrote: post #183
blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Congress didn’t change its tune. PAFACA is supported by 80% of legislators. It has more support than virtually any other legislation.

I know it's stupid to get upset over an app like TikTok, but the ban really did shock me a little, even more so because of how widely supported it was. What party or politicians support individual freedom in this context? How could libertarians support banning an app?

> How could libertarians support banning an app?

because they calling themselves libertarians don't make them stand for liberty!

Libertarians might actually want authoritarianism, but it's their authority!

Re: US bill proposes jail time for people who download DeepSeek

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Post by blackeyeblitzar »

davidw wrote: post #31
9283409232 wrote: post #3

> The Republican Senator from Missouri Josh Hawley has introduced a new bill that would make it illegal to import or export artificial intelligence products to and from China, meaning someone who knowingly downloads a Chinese developed AI model like the now immensely popular DeepSeek could face up to 20 years in jail, a million dollar fine, or both, should such a law pass. You get less jail time for committing 34 fel…

You get less jail time for an insurrection aimed at overthrowing a free and fair election and beating the shit out of cops while doing so.

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