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Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by srcreigh »

titanomachy wrote: post #224

> the entire human person is simultaneously both material and spiritual... the human person transcends the material world through the soul... the human spirit does not exercise its normal mode of knowledge without the body I have a hard time wrapping my head around exactly what it is that Christians believe about immortality. So the soul lives on forever, but without the reasoning and intellectual capabilities grante…

I imagine that many Christians agree that we will have a corporeal body after the resurrection. Jesus had a corporeal body after rising from the dead--that much has been orthodox tradition since the time of Christ and is recorded in the gospels.

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Post by Eisenstein »

radlad wrote: post #244
Eisenstein wrote: post #234

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So how much less of a human was Helen Keller?

I don't remember stating that having 5 senses were necessary to be human. This reads like a very uncharitable dismissal of what's really a very interesting topic. Helen Keller, despite lacking sight and hearing, was still able to perceive the world through sensory input, including taste, touch, and smell - and although she could not hear, she could still feel warmth and the touch of another human, and experienced emo…

You asked 'at what point will be it be considered human with added inputs' so I asked the reverse question. It is no more or less charitable to ask 'when does one stop being human with fewer inputs' than to ask 'when does one become human as inputs are added'.

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Post by cynicalpeace »

macrocosmos wrote: post #262
cynicalpeace wrote: post #238

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This is a subtle and fascinating reference I had to Google. It's this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russell%27s_teapot The problem with the argument is that the Athiestic viewpoint is indeed just as fantastical as the Thiestic viewpoint. It's basically switching out "Yahweh" with "Chance". It basically comes down to which God you believe in and how you define God. In my reading, a definition of God that is "caused e…

Good points. When I hear some people talk about reality and the Universe, I cannot find any distinction between the definitions for those concepts people use and between what other people call God. I would find it hard to believe someone was being genuine if they said they reject the concept of God. Now for Christianity, I can see why people would refuse to believe that God came down to Earth in human form. And then…

Those questions are what make Christianity endlessly fascinating. We debate these things all the time at our house. Makes for fun conversation, if the participants are able to be civil.

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Post by dang »

7e wrote: post #195
nyokodo wrote: post #80

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> How could they know? I can’t speak for any religious leader but in terms of Catholic leadership: because in many matters God spoke through the Prophets and then He came down and told us directly which is preserved in Holy Scripture and Sacred Tradition (2 Thessalonians 2:15-17), and the Holy Spirit guides the Church (John 14:26) and does so through the prime ministerial office of the Pope the successor of Peter (Ma…

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Post by Anon84 »

rotexo wrote: post #159
throw0101c wrote: post #106

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> it always feels paradoxical when leaders wax poetic about the mystery of God and then say 'so here is what God thinks you should do.' How could they know? Perhaps we were told it: > "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a…

Yes, I recognize that these are articles of deeply-held faith. I am open to the idea of God, I am open to the idea that God is fundamentally mysterious and beyond our mortal understanding. I simply feel that I always have to exercise skepticism regarding the words of religious institutions, though, because it seems to me that power-hungry individuals could use legitimate teachings as a camouflage for their immoral se…

As someone (I forget who), "God is not something you believe in. God is something you experience". In my view, any given religion is just the accumulated ways in which a specific group of people found to handle the aftermath of that experience.

Of course, the problem is that you get indoctrinated into a religion before you have a chance to experience It in the first place and end up mistaking the aftermath of the experience

Re: Antiqua et Nova: Note on the relationship between AI and human intelligence

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Post by dang »

mrguyorama wrote: post #63
rotexo wrote: post #48

I liked the simple observation in point 35: 'as Pope Francis observes, “the very use of the word ‘intelligence’” in connection with AI “can prove misleading”[69] and risks overlooking what is most precious in the human person.' I was texting my buddy that the proper acronym could be ABNECUI (Almost, But Not Entirely, Completely Unlike Intelligence, to rip something from Douglas Adams). At a more profound level, I rea…

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Post by Eisenstein »

cynicalpeace wrote: post #260
Eisenstein wrote: post #237

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I suppose one could say 'wrong' would absolutely be something they changed their position on, regardless of any other definition.

The strictly Christian response would be "wrong" is what goes against the words of Christ, and they could have flipped from "right" in the past to "wrong" now, or vice versa, or even from "wrong" to "wronger".

I don't think that is the Catholic response. Also, the words of Christ are only known as was given by third party recollections, and sometimes contradict themselves.

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Post by dang »

progbits wrote: post #68
simonw wrote: post #19

I enjoyed this bit - great use of the word "idolatry": ---- 104. Technology offers remarkable tools to oversee and develop the world's resources. However, in some cases, humanity is increasingly ceding control of these resources to machines. Within some circles of scientists and futurists, there is optimism about the potential of artificial general intelligence (AGI), a hypothetical form of AI that would match or sur…

> search of meaning or fulfillment---longings that can only be truly satisfied in communion with God This always annoyed me about religion. Such a lazy cop out no answer to such important question.

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Post by srcreigh »

tantaman wrote: post #246
titanomachy wrote: post #224

> the entire human person is simultaneously both material and spiritual... the human person transcends the material world through the soul... the human spirit does not exercise its normal mode of knowledge without the body I have a hard time wrapping my head around exactly what it is that Christians believe about immortality. So the soul lives on forever, but without the reasoning and intellectual capabilities grante…

It's been around 2000 years with many divisions and sects so I don't think you can give a single definition. Early Christians didn't agree on the divinity of Jesus. Hell wasn't christian doctrine until 400CE. Some Christians believe heaven is on earth itself and you'll be resurrected on earth, in your original body, when that times comes.

Not to argue, but just to drop some opinions for info sake. Early Christians largely did agree about the divinity of Jesus (it's in the gospels at least). Hell isn't really an Orthodox doctrine at all. The concept of Sheol/Hades predates the NT, and the modern idea of "hell" is more of a recent Western invention.

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Post by throw0101c »

kittikitti wrote: post #245
throw0101c wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> it always feels paradoxical when leaders wax poetic about the mystery of God and then say 'so here is what God thinks you should do.' How could they know? Perhaps we were told it: > "Teacher, which commandment in the law is the greatest?" He [Jesus] said to him, "'You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind.' This is the greatest and first commandment. And a…

> Which is taken from the Torah. Proceeding to link to Wikipedia while claiming the Vatican took their opinions from the Torah especially since their references are an actual bibliography is very reductive.

> while claiming the Vatican took their opinions from the Torah

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Commandment

It is Jesus' statement, which the Vatican, as followers of Jesus, would be interested in.

But Jesus himself is quoting the Torah:

> “Hear, O Israel: [a]The Lord our God, the Lord is one! 5 You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your strength.

* https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy%206...

> “‘Do not seek revenge or bear a grudge against anyone among your people, but love your neighbor as yourself. I am the Lord.

* https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Leviticus%2019%...

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