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Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by caminante »

Clent wrote: post #166
ghfhghg wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on the content of their post (started at 13, uses daily) they are WAY over 1100 days

It's 1100 times not days. Anyone who smokes every couple of hours is averaging around 8 times a day and hits that in under five months. People who do not smoke weed have no idea how heavy, heavy really is.

Fair point, but not material for the parent's case.

To your point, AFAIK, the study doesn't differentiate potency of weed. Not all cannabis is created equal and the strands commonly available now are way more potent (with more arrows pointing to addictiveness) than "your dad's weed."

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by TZubiri »

h0us3 wrote: post #239
TZubiri wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal observation and common sense logic are often disregarded as 'unscientific', yet they are more powerful tools for learning about the world around us than sifting through hundreds of papers we are not trained to on scholar.google Weed make you dumb short term? Probably make you dumb long term. Friends who smoke weed end up dumb and underachieving? Correlation established. Life is not a college science test. So…

Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house. But I started in farm land learning to build with raw materials, fixing tractors and other machines, growing food, while most of my peers sat inside watching TV. My muscle and cognitive memory is well developed from development of electronics products, a lif…

>Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house.

Congrats and I don't mean to be demeaming, but you sell it as if that were a peak achievement and it's actually quite mid. The hardest part of those achievements would be studying and testing for calculus and algebra, for which I assume you had to drop the weed to retain some cognitive function.

Here's some predictive power I go on a limb with, you said EE and I bet you mean Electronic Engineering and not Electrical.

Along with physician or lawyer, those would be quite surprising and incompatible with weed because you would be responsible for significant real world risks and responsibilities. Again no offense but you are probably working on something with not much real world responsibility which is why it's compatible with smoking weed.

That's ok, not everyone needs to be a top performing human being responsible for their actions, and if they were you would be working in an industry with drug testing instead of a workplace that values creativity and approves of drugs. And your head would roll if there's an incident you are responsible for and it comes out that you are smoking regularly (god forbid while you make the malpractice)

Was I close?

Cheers

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by TZubiri »

jakupovic wrote: post #240
TZubiri wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal observation and common sense logic are often disregarded as 'unscientific', yet they are more powerful tools for learning about the world around us than sifting through hundreds of papers we are not trained to on scholar.google Weed make you dumb short term? Probably make you dumb long term. Friends who smoke weed end up dumb and underachieving? Correlation established. Life is not a college science test. So…

We learned nothing from your casual observation. You took 2 parts and combined them together to form a conclusion based on hearsay. So not better than what you're arguing against.

No of course you don't learn from my observation, and it's hearsay to you.

The idea is that each of us learns from our observation. And of course the observation and judgment of those we trust.

I'm not expecting or caring if you are influenced by my particular observations.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by codr7 »

heraldgeezer wrote: post #178
jMyles wrote: post #56

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Personally, I like it because it reduces the volume, both spacially and temporally, of the thoughts in my immediate working memory so that I can more clearly identify the pipeline of activity that I actually want to do (whether it's work or self-care). I think that this is the reason that people who are later diagnosed with ADHD so often use cannabis to "self-medicate". But it achieves this effect in a way that is su…

You work while high? What will you do when the bossman wants some pee from you?

That will never happen, unless the test is screened for any and all kinds of medications and drugs, then I have no problem.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by Clent »

ghfhghg wrote: post #170
Clent wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's 1100 times not days. Anyone who smokes every couple of hours is averaging around 8 times a day and hits that in under five months. People who do not smoke weed have no idea how heavy, heavy really is.

I'm not sure what your are arguing here. Even if they are 30 they are well over 1100

I wasn't meaning to argue anything beyond perhaps bringing to light how naïve these studies are. We don't count alcohol consumption this way. Is someone that smokes once per week for 20 years a heavy user? Would anyone consider someone that drinks once per week for 20 years a heavy drinker?

Why do these studies assume weed is cumulative but alcohol isn’t? Is it because most researchers have experience with being drunk but zero to little experience with being high on weed?

It seems likely there is a difference between someone who is buzzed all day every day for years vs someone that smokes several times each weekend, but these studies all group them together as one. Most likely because the researchers don't understand what they are studying and produce results that do not match the lived experience of their research subjects.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by dumah »

TZubiri wrote: post #272
h0us3 wrote: post #239

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house. But I started in farm land learning to build with raw materials, fixing tractors and other machines, growing food, while most of my peers sat inside watching TV. My muscle and cognitive memory is well developed from development of electronics products, a lif…

>Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house. Congrats and I don't mean to be demeaming, but you sell it as if that were a peak achievement and it's actually quite mid. The hardest part of those achievements would be studying and testing for calculus and algebra, for which I assume you had to drop the…

This is demeaning, uncivil, and largely baseless.

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by TZubiri »

dumah wrote: post #276
TZubiri wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house. Congrats and I don't mean to be demeaming, but you sell it as if that were a peak achievement and it's actually quite mid. The hardest part of those achievements would be studying and testing for calculus and algebra, for which I assume you had to drop the…

This is demeaning, uncivil, and largely baseless.

Drugs are a sensitive subject

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by condwanaland »

TZubiri wrote: post #277
dumah wrote: post #276

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is demeaning, uncivil, and largely baseless.

Drugs are a sensitive subject

Drugs or not, your comment was rude and condescending. And trying to brush it off as people being 'sensitive' doesn't change it being rude and condescending

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by joquarky »

jakupovic wrote: post #240
TZubiri wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal observation and common sense logic are often disregarded as 'unscientific', yet they are more powerful tools for learning about the world around us than sifting through hundreds of papers we are not trained to on scholar.google Weed make you dumb short term? Probably make you dumb long term. Friends who smoke weed end up dumb and underachieving? Correlation established. Life is not a college science test. So…

We learned nothing from your casual observation. You took 2 parts and combined them together to form a conclusion based on hearsay. So not better than what you're arguing against.

Who is "we"?

Re: Younger cannabis users have reduced brain function, finds largest study yet

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Post by cluckindan »

h0us3 wrote: post #239
TZubiri wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Personal observation and common sense logic are often disregarded as 'unscientific', yet they are more powerful tools for learning about the world around us than sifting through hundreds of papers we are not trained to on scholar.google Weed make you dumb short term? Probably make you dumb long term. Friends who smoke weed end up dumb and underachieving? Correlation established. Life is not a college science test. So…

Funny. I have smoked regularly for two decades, yet also have two STEM degrees, a full time EE job, occasional side work, and I’m fixing up a 100 year old house. But I started in farm land learning to build with raw materials, fixing tractors and other machines, growing food, while most of my peers sat inside watching TV. My muscle and cognitive memory is well developed from development of electronics products, a lif…

Same experience here. Weed doesn’t make you dumb or lazy — choosing to sit on the couch watching reruns of The Simpsons is what makes you dumb and lazy, weed or no weed.
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