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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by awesomeMilou »

bobxmax wrote: post #242
mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

It's also deeply damaging to the western ego, especially one rooted in American exceptionalism. But also one those of us actually working on foundational AI saw coming a mile away when most of the top research of late has been happening in Chinese labs, not American or European ones. Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation.

> Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation.

Can you please provide a source? Genuinely curious as this would be fatal to the US economy. Imagine working 2 years to get out from Covid chip shortages only to hammer progress down with tariffs.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by forgotoldacc »

m00x wrote: post #245
mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

The hit on NVidia's stock price makes no sense to me. DeepSeek uses H100s and H800s. They'll likely have reasons to buy more now, and America will want to compete even harder, buying more chips. American companies are still way ahead as well, but they're just getting more competition. This will be healthy.

Many stocks aren't grounded in reality. They're essentially Memecoins: Classic Edition™ now.

Tesla barely even sells but the stock just won't go down. Boeing orders have fallen massively and they're posting massive losses each quarter, and management shows zero desire to improve the situation. But the stock has basically stabilized since the initial catastrophes.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by [deleted] »

sho_hn wrote: post #264
karim79 wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think you missed my point, or I wasn't clear enough. Your point is exactly the one I was trying to make. I think I must re-examine my articulation.

I wasn't arguing against you, rather extending your argument for further effect. Should've prefixed with "Indeed, ...", sorry.

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Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by jijji »

thorncorona wrote: post #257
jijji wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably the lack of understanding the market... Most people thought there was a ban (issued by the US in 2022) against China being able to utilize the H100 Nvidia graphics cards to prevent them from using AI (for the obvious purpose of oppressing their people). If anything, export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole.

Huawei has B200 competitive inference chips coming.

Nvidia has the Blackwell B200, its latest GPU card. Huawei's offering is called Ascend 910C. Huawei's future offering to compete against the Nvidia Blackwell B200 is called Ascend 920C.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by JKCalhoun »

awesomeMilou wrote: post #271
bobxmax wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's also deeply damaging to the western ego, especially one rooted in American exceptionalism. But also one those of us actually working on foundational AI saw coming a mile away when most of the top research of late has been happening in Chinese labs, not American or European ones. Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation.

> Can't wait to see what this boneheaded President's tarrif on TSMC does to this situation. Can you please provide a source? Genuinely curious as this would be fatal to the US economy. Imagine working 2 years to get out from Covid chip shortages only to hammer progress down with tariffs.

Just Googled this (from yesterday): https://www.yahoo.com/tech/trump-promises-high-semiconductor...

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by JKCalhoun »

elevatedastalt wrote: post #246
mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

In whose hands do you think your personal data is more secure? Google or DeepSeek?

Both can suck.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by mmaunder »

jijji wrote: post #249
mmaunder wrote: post #225

The amount of vitriol in these comments is the really surprising data. I've seen the same on Twitter. I can only put it down to the financial pain DeepSeek inflicted on many US retail investors by wiping almost $700 billion off NVidia's stock price. I think a lot of folks didn't see it coming and it hurt them right where it matters most: In the wallet. The anger out there is very real.

Did you even read the article? It's about the backend of deepseek.com being completely unprotected to the point where all the prompts users typed in are being exposed to the public. The fact that these people are supposed to be competent leads most to believe this is a backend for the CCP to spy on users. Competent or not, I would not use that system for anything. If anything, one might host it locally and use it in…

Yes. :-) And I commented below, earlier this evening. Scroll down and we can argue about whether what they did is legal or not.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by khazhoux »

sho_hn wrote: post #252
jijji wrote: post #249

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Did you even read the article? It's about the backend of deepseek.com being completely unprotected to the point where all the prompts users typed in are being exposed to the public. The fact that these people are supposed to be competent leads most to believe this is a backend for the CCP to spy on users. Competent or not, I would not use that system for anything. If anything, one might host it locally and use it in…

I'm wary of engaging in false equivalence, but people seem to have really forgotten the revelations of the Snowden episode.

which was what?

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by jijji »

teleforce wrote: post #269
jijji wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably the lack of understanding the market... Most people thought there was a ban (issued by the US in 2022) against China being able to utilize the H100 Nvidia graphics cards to prevent them from using AI (for the obvious purpose of oppressing their people). If anything, export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole.

> export controls need to be looked at and probably tightened as this is a glaring loop hole US is the prominent trade freedom proponent champion until it does not suits them Also US is the prominent democracy proponent champion until it does not suits them And also US is the free speech freedom champion until it does not suits them

I can understand your argument, but I also understand why the US would try to ban an oppressive regime who specifically use technology like AI for ubiquitous surveillance, behavior monitoring and social credit, facial recognition systems that can identify Uyghurs and alert authorities, internet monitoring (they arrest people every day for writing banned words on WeChat for example)... I think it's probably fine if they make the equipment themselves, but US probably shouldn't be supporting this type of activity.

Re: Exposed DeepSeek database leaking sensitive information, including chat history

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Post by Twirrim »

cptskippy wrote: post #241
Twirrim wrote: post #217

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This is also something that keeps affecting "smart" software engineers with projects, that don't realise they've got misconfigured S3 buckets, or have Firebase or Mongodb etc. wide open to the world. We've seen so many companies that absolutely should know better be in this area.

The reality is that cloud providers make it easy to deploy infrastructure without much thought. You need skilled domain specific IT Architects working together to ensure that an organization's cloud presence is efficient and secure. That discipline and rigor is often dismissed or underappreciated because it forces you to slow down and decreases agility. Some organizations have some form of Enterprise Architecture gro…

> I would say most organizations are completely devoid of that type of supervision and oversight.

It's unfortunately far too counter to "move fast and break stuff" that startup space tends to be enamored of, because they tend to want you to do things safely and try to avoid a "Front page of the New York Times" type of security event.

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