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Re: Operator research preview

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Post by dzhiurgis »

swatcoder wrote: post #248
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Do you actually believe HN was bot free?

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by halamadrid »

It requires the Pro subscription which I don't have. Does this mean websites like clay.com and copy.ai can be replaced with Operator? If something like that can be done then we are looking at an interesting future.

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Post by dialup_sounds »

gyomu wrote: post #255
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

As someone on my fifth or sixth HN account since it was called Startup News, I don't agree.

Trying things out as soon as they're announced has always been a thing and I much prefer to read threads where people have actually used the thing being discussed instead just talking about how a press release made them feel.

Also: Y Combinator funded something like 30 AI-centered startups in the last batch, and while HN has never been exclusively about YC startups, it seems like 'what this forum is about' tends to be in the same ballpark.

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by plaguuuuuu »

Nevermark wrote: post #113
madeofpalk wrote: post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But probably more difficult to get app developers on board. That's it. The problem is getting Postmates to agree to give away control of their UI. Giving away their ability to upsell you and push whatever makes them more money. Its never going to happen. Netflix still isn't integrated with Apple TV properly because they don't want to give away that access. I'm not convinced this is the path forward for computers ei…

This is classic disruption vulnerability creation in real time. AI’s are (just) starting to devalue the moat benefits of human-only interfaces. New entrants that preemptively give up on human-only “security” or moats, have a clear new opening at the low end. Especially with development costs dropping. (Specifics of product or service being favorable.) As for the problem of machine attacks on machine friendly API’s: S…

Internet subscription, anyone? Access over 500 websites for $39.99 a month.

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Post by sumedh »

gyomu wrote: post #255
karpathy wrote: post #245

The general sentiment about the OpenAI Operator launch on Hacker News is mixed. Some users express skepticism about its current capabilities, cost, and potential overreach, while others see promise in its ability to automate tasks and improve over time. Ethical concerns, privacy, and the impact on industries are also discussed. Overall, there's cautious optimism with acknowledgment of challenges and potential improve…

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

How are you even going to moderate such content, how will the website operator even know if its real human or an AI agent controlling a computer?

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by swatcoder »

dzhiurgis wrote: post #271
swatcoder wrote: post #248

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm sure you think this is cute or inevitable, but it's also how you destroy community on the internet and finish its transition from an implicitly trusting public square into an implicitly adversarial and polluted wasteland. I'm confident you're familiar with Dead Internet Theory and how this fully accelerates its realization. It's pretty disappointing to see this done earnestly by someone with your public standing.

Do you actually believe HN was bot free?

I believe that formally permitting bots would be a defining, unequivocally negative, step for the future of this community.

We can't do anything about the ones we can't detect. We have a choice about what to do with the ones we do or could know about. That choice matters.

Re: Operator research preview

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Post by franktankbank »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #263
franktankbank wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The data is the moat.

Not for much longer, perhaps not even now. There's plenty of data avaliable to anyone, and people are finding ways to use that data more effectively. Mid-term, I believe the only real moat is going to be human labor - that is, RLHF and other funny acronyms that boil down to getting people to chat with the model and rate how they feel about its answers. Software improvements (architecture, training process, inference)…

> There's plenty of data avaliable to anyone

I think you are just wrong here and so everything that follows is wishful.

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Post by [deleted] »

throwaway314155 wrote: post #266
gyomu wrote: post #255

Earlier quoted context omitted.

@dang can we have guidelines against posting AI generated content here? (who cares if the account is "human operated" or has a disclaimer). It's just lame and not what this forum is about.

It's absurd to me that simply because it's Karpathy's account, everyone immediately changes their tune about posting "slop" AI summaries; something which is normally downvoted into oblivion on this site. People go even further to downvote any criticism?? Pick a lane people. This will be business as usual in a week and Operator posts will go back to being thoroughly downvoted by then too.

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Re: Operator research preview

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Post by sumedh »

windowlessmonad wrote: post #177
gordon_freeman wrote: post #155

What is fascinating about this announcement is if you look into future after considerable improvements in product and the model, we will be just chatting with ChatGPT to book dinner tables, flights, buy groceries and do all sort of mundane and hugely boring things we do on the web, just by talking to the agents. I'd definitely love that.

Are our attention spans so shot that we consider booking a reservation at a restaurant or buying groceries "hugely boring"? And do we value convenience so much that we're willing to sacrifice a huge breadth of options for whatever sponsor du jour OpenAI wants to serve us just to save less than 10 minutes? And would this company spend billions of dollars for this infinitesimally small increase in convenience? No, of c…

> Are our attention spans so shot that we consider booking a reservation at a restaurant or buying groceries "hugely boring"?

Dont be limited with these examples.

How about Airline booking, try different airlines, go to the confirmation screen. then the user can check if everything is allright and if the user wants to finish the booking on the most cheapest one.

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