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Nvidia announces next-gen RTX 5090 and RTX 5080 GPUs

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Post by perching_aix »

dagmx wrote: post #142
perching_aix wrote: post #120

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> It’s 3 extrapolated frames not interpolated. Do you have a source for this? Doesn't sound like a very good idea. Nor do I think there's additional latency mind you, but not because it's not interpolation.

https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/news/dlss4-multi-frame-...

Could you please point out where on that page does it say anything about "extrapolation"? Searched for the (beginning of the) word directly and even gave all the text a skim, didn't catch anything of the sort.

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kllrnohj wrote: post #150
diggan wrote: post #137

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> modern games + modern cards can't even do 4k at high fps What "modern games" and "modern cards" are you specifically talking about here? There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example.

> There are plenty of AAA games released last years that you can do 4K at 60fps with a RTX 3090 for example. Not when you turn on ray tracing. Also 60fps is pretty low, certainly isn't "high fps" anyway

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Post by Aardwolf »

dijit wrote: post #84
ziml77 wrote: post #55

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The 4090 already seemed positioned as a card for consumer AI enthusiast workloads. But this $1000 price gap between the 5080 and 5090 seems to finally cement that. Though we're probably still going to see tons of tech YouTubers making videos specifically about how the 5090 isn't a good value for gaming as if it even matters. The people who want to spend $2000 on a GPU for gaming don't care about the value and everyon…

From all the communication I’ve had with Nvidia, the prevailing sentiment was that the 4090 was an 8K card, that happened to be good for AI due to vram requirements from 8K gaming. However, I’m a AAA gamedev CTO and they might have been telling me what the card means to me .

Why does 8K gaming require more VRAM?

I think the textures and geometry would have the same resolution (or is that not the case? but in 4K if you walk closer to the wall you'd want higher texture resolution as well anyway, if the graphics artists have made the assets at that resolution anyway)

8K screen resolution requires 132 megabytes of memory to store the pixels (for 32-bit color), that doesn't explain gigabytes of extra VRAM

I'd be curious to know what information I'm missing

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Post by chis »

ks2048 wrote: post #192

This is maybe a dumb question, but why is it so hard to buy Nvidia GPUs? I can understand lack of supply, but why can't I go on nvidia.com and buy something the same way I go on apple.com and buy hardware? I'm looking for GPUs and navigating all these different resellers with wildly different prices and confusing names (on top of the already confusing set of available cards).

One way to look at is that the third party GPU packagers have a different set of expertise. They generally build motherboards, GPU holder boards, RAM, and often monitors and mice as well. All of these product PCBs are cheaply made and don't depend on the performance of the latest TSMC node the way the GPU chips do, more about ticking feature boxes at the lowest cost.

So nvidia wouldn't have the connections or skillset to do budget manufacturing of low-cost holder boards the way ASUS or EVGA does. Plus with so many competitors angling to use the same nvidia GPU chips, nvidia collects all the margin regardless.

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Post by knowitnone »

automatic6131 wrote: post #240
doix wrote: post #231

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Yeah I should have said design, embarrassingly I used to work in a (fabless) semiconductor company. Totally agree with the software part. AMD usually designs something in the same ball park as Nvidia, and usually has a better price:performance ratio at many price points. But the software is just too far behind.

AMDs driver software is more featureful and better than NVidia's offerings. GeForce Experience + the settings app combo was awful, the Nvidia App is just copying some homework, and integrating MSI Afterburner's freeware. But the business software stack was, yes, best in class. But it's not so for the consumer!

I think they mean CUDA

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Post by jmuguy »

geertj wrote: post #254
jmuguy wrote: post #219

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Do you live somewhat near a Microcenter? They'll likely have these as in-store pick up only, no online reservations, 1 per customer. Recently got a 9800X3D CPU from them, its nice they're trying to prevent scalping.

I do! Great advice. Going off on a tangent, when I recently visited my Microcenter after a few years of not going there, it totally gave me 80s vibes and I loved it. Staff fit the "computer nerd" stereotype accurately, including jeans shirts and ponytails. And best of all they actually wanted to talk to me and help me find stuff, and were knowledgeable.

Ours just opened in 2024 and I've tried to give them as much business as possible. Ordering everything for a new PC build, sans the AMD CPU, and then doing pick up was a breeze. Feels great that the place is completely packed every time I go in there. I feel like Bestbuy made me sort of hate electronics retail and Microcenter is reminding of what it used to be like going to Radio Shack and Compusa back in their hayday.

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Post by yourusername »

nfriedly wrote: post #250

Meh. Feels like astronomical prices for the smallest upgrades they could get away with. I miss when high-end GPUs were $300-400, and you could get something reasonable for $100-200. I guess that's just integrated graphics these days. The most I've ever spent on a GPU is ~$300, and I don't really see that changing anytime soon, so it'll be a long time before I'll even consider one of these cards.

>I miss when high-end GPUs were $300-400, and you could get something reasonable for $100-200.

That time is 25 years ago though, i think the Geforce DDR is the last high end card to fit this price bracket. While cards have gotten a lot more expensive those $300 high end cards should be around $600 now. And $200-400 for low end still exists.

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Post by matja »

ryao wrote: post #75

The most interesting news is that the 5090 Founders' Edition is a 2-slot card according to Nvidia's website: https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/graphics-cards/50-serie... When was the last time Nvidia made a high end GeForce card use only 2 slots?

The integrator decides the form factor, not NVIDIA, and there were a few 2-slot 3080's with blower coolers. Technically water-cooled 40xx's can be 2-slot also but that's cheating.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

tbolt wrote: post #235
ActionHank wrote: post #191

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They are intentionally keeping the VRAM small on these cards to force people to buy their larger, more expensive offerings.

Maybe, but if they strapped these with 64gb+ wouldn’t that be wasted on folks buying it for its intended purpose? Gaming. Though the “intended use” is changing and has been for a bit now.

XX90 is only half a gaming card it's also the one the entire creative professional 3D CGI, AI, game dev industry runs on.

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

Kelteseth wrote: post #268
voidUpdate wrote: post #198

Ooo, that means its probably time for me to get a used 2080, or maybe even a 3080 if I'm feeling special

Why not go for AMD? I just got a 7900XTX for 850 euros, it runs ollama or comfyUI via WSl2 quite nicely.

Pointless putting yourself through the support headaches or having to wait for support to arrive to save a few dollars because the rest of the community is running Nvidia
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