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Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

A reddit thread started by a woman working at a college in Toronto was on the front page of reddit 2 months ago. Commenters just piled on with more and more anecdotes. : https://old.reddit.com/r/canadian/comments/1g7a6eg/im_sick_o... I binged watched a bunch of videos on Europe's various countries' backlash to immigration. An example was a Sweden reversal of attitude on immigration: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Am…

Reddit is completely astroturfed and shouldn't be taken as an real-world indication of political sentiments on any issue. However, turning to racist policy in light of economic crisis is not new, the last time Americans deported people of Mexican descent in droves was during the aftermath of the Great Depression: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_Repatriation

Humanity will just have to relearn the lessons of the 1920s-1940s again, if it learns anything at all that is.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.

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All the research on "diversity" shows that it is clearly associated with particular media outlets as a primary talking point and wedge issue.

Outside readers rarely hear about diversity from other sources - the noise ratio from one side of the US aisle on the issue is staggering.

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> Europeans could learn from Canada how to allow immigration in a fashion that the population embraces rather than tolerates Clearly the author is ignorant. Canadians are sick of immigration. Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day.

> Young Canadians doubly so. Racism is becoming more acceptable by the day. Always has been. Well at least in my experience in online gaming with a small portion of French Canadians.

The biggest "We told you so" moment I had in the past year was seeing the reversal of the ROC calling us racism to basically adopting our position that quality (value compatibility, economic plus value) and quantity (capacity to receive) in immigration are two important factor to not f*ck up social cohesion.

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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Factually, the claim of complete loss of sovereignty is just dead wrong. This list details the division of responsibilities between the EU and member states: https://commission.europa.eu/about/role/law/areas-eu-action_... This shows how narrow the responsibilities of the EU actually are.

Strictly speaking, you're correct, but practically speaking, I believe not so much. For example, France lost a key advantage ("competition rules") with nuclear energy essentially because it was considered unfair to other countries. But energetic independence is fundamental in part to economical independence: it's a key aspect of sovereignty. Another example would be the Euro ("monetary policy"): > Give me control ove…

Many perceive EU laws as imposed without democratic oversight, but this isn't quite accurate. The European Parliament, elected by EU citizens, is involved in most legislative processes. The EU Council, made up of ministers from elected governments, also plays a key role. It's not how national democracies work, but with no unified European public, this system might be the best compromise for now.

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I've had the same complaint about DEI stuff in the US. Diversity is wonderful, but you also need people to integrate. The US used to be called the great melting pot, now we don't expect people to melt. No wonder we have so many problems. People used to be expected to integrate, that don't now, people should rightly be pissed.

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This seems like whataboutism. The treatment of Native Americans isn't really similar to modern voluntary immigration and integration.

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For a moment I thought that was satire. Canada has its share of "multicultural" problems. And that's on top of french speaking people vs. english speaking people.

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> It will only get worse. All the research on “diversity” clearly shows that diversity is cleary associated with increased strife, struggle, conflict and war or abuses and atrocities. It’s a very clear signal in research.

Interested in reading more. Sources?

Re: Why Canada Should Join the EU

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He's also unaware of the controversy and debate many places in Europe are having over immigration. At this point I'd really like to know what country doesn't have some large backlash and controversy against immigration.

Generally, countries with expanding economies and a lot of physical space do not have issues with immigration. The US has its problems, but the argument generally has been over the extent of immigration, and not against immigration entirely (minority extremists notwithstanding). Canada is interesting in this regard, because it has a lot of land but a contracting economy.

because it has a lot of land

Canada has a lot of land... but the majority of it is in the very cold northern part that people don't generally want to live in.

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You're right. I don't live in Canada anymore, but even my moderate and liberal friends in Canada regularly complain about immigrants. That sentiment feels very new to me, though. I think Canada did have a positive view of immigrants for a long time.

That's because those immigrants came here because they wanted to be Canadians. These new immigrants have no desire to integrate.

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