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Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by LeafItAlone »

SoftTalker wrote: post #39
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

>I think it's more simply that the market of people who want an EV and can afford a Tesla is now saturated.

Very likely, but I know of at least one person (me) who didn’t buy a Tesla due to what the parent comment brings up.

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by LeafItAlone »

paulddraper wrote: post #255
light_hue_1 wrote: post #75

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I don't think so. At least from my personal experiences I know of at least a dozen sales that 3 years ago they would have made hands now. People compromise and buy what are clearly worse cars to avoid the Tesla brand. A friend just brought an ioniq a few months ago, same friend who was salivating over our Tesla a few years ago and kept talking about buying one endlessly. Guess why they didn't buy one.. Heck. I'm one…

> It would be nice if Tesla was just a car company. What is Tesla?

If it was just a car company, it wouldn’t have the P/E ratio it does. It’s a technology company that makes cars (and self driving systems, AI, and robots).

Re: Tesla reports 1.1% sales drop for 2024, first annual decline in at least 9 years

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Post by LeafItAlone »

underseacables wrote: post #138
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

But they have been doing it forever. Soros, Epstein, SBF, Bezos... Your ideal is noble but perhaps a little naive.

>someone insert themselves into politics quite so loudly

Soros and Epstein did it quietly. I’d wager that most people have never heard anything from Soros himself or know what he has actually done, but merely have heard that he uses his wealth to influence politics. Usually as an attack against an idea or group. Epstein is certainly not known for influencing politics. And quite frankly, flew under the radar for the general public until the end of his life in 2019.

People outside tech or finance would not know who SBF is unless you told them exactly what he did and then maybe they’d remember a news article about it.

Bezos might be the best example you provide, but I don’t think he rises to the loudness of Musk.

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Post by babyent »

cchance wrote: post #51
babyent wrote: post #35

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Lucid Air is quite a nice car. My next EV will be a Lucid if I choose to start driving again.

Too expensive, thats the big issue, EV's that are decent outside of tesla are just so fuckin expensive, or from legacy automakers that seem to just want to shove a EV engine in a shitty old design

Lucid is a luxury brand and it has a better quality interior and comfort than a Tesla. I’ve only ever owned a Tesla, Mazda, Subaru, and a Honda so note that’s my only personal experience.

I used to have a P3D, and Tesla interiors do feel quite lacking compared to the Lucid Air I sat in at the mall. My friend has had a Lucid for a while and it still has a solid feel. I didn’t hear any creaks or rattles and it felt solid inside, if that makes sense.

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Post by bryanlarsen »

parineum wrote: post #197
ashoeafoot wrote: post #167

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Economic self strangulation induced via the wealth gap. Its going to be economically impossible to build anything but luxury shoes next.

I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID. How does the wealth gap cause inflation?

> I could explain to a child how printing new money causes inflation, which we did twice since COVID.

We've printed money a dozen times in the 30 years prior to 2022. Economists predicted that all of them would cause inflation. None of them did.

In 2022 we had money printing and a supply side squeeze. Insisting that the inflation was caused by the money printing rather than the supply side squeeze takes incredible chutzpah.

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Post by mbesto »

bdangubic wrote: post #229
mbesto wrote: post #97

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> It does not go to 15kw It goes to whatever the software tells it to, which is based on the following factors: - What percentage the battery is at when it starts charging - Environmental conditions (cold/heat) - How many other cars are being charged (IIRC most super charger stations don't supply the max amps * the number of ports - they assume some cars will be throttled) A v3 can get up to 250 kW but only under opt…

The average consumer doesn't understand that their car gets less range over time after use. right, the average consumer never owned anything which runs on a battery before and those rare folk that might have owned like a cellphone surely think that cars have MAGIC batteries which unlike every other battery they have ever owned is going to be rock n roll for decades

Cellphones didn't previously run on gasoline.

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Post by lossolo »

pton_xd wrote: post #47
UndefinedRef wrote: post #2

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After owning a Model Y for a year I have to say -- it's the best car I've ever had. Comfortable ride, the visibility with the cameras is great, amazing all-weather traction. It's freakin' fast. The voice-to-navigate works nearly 99% of the time which, given my experiences with Alexa and Siri, is quite impressive. All the usual EV caveats apply though. Being able to charge at home is a must. Living in a cold weather s…

> it's the best car I've ever had

What other cars you had before?

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Post by ethagknight »

kanbara wrote: post #205
ethagknight wrote: post #166

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Assuming it's due to Elon. Any moral qualms driving a VW, Mercedes, BMW, or Toyota? Each has taken, uh, far more aggressive actions in their respective pasts.

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Counterpoint, I’m not convinced those companies were sufficiently punished for their past transgressions, should have ongoing levies/tariffs to repay the lend lease programs that rebuilt Europe.

Attempting to draw a line between what Germans actually did in the early 1900s to what you think Elon “would do if he were in charge” is the unserious part.

My only point is that the virtue signaling over Elon is quite petty.

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Post by mbesto »

bdangubic wrote: post #192
mbesto wrote: post #126

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> Not in my experience Anecdotal. Just do a few google searches and the data says 20~30%. Torque, weight, etc. all conclude this. Just go into a discount tire and the guys will tell you this is true. > Just because a car can accelerate quickly doesn't mean you should. You've reinforced my point - which is most people don't know how to drive EVs with maintenance in mind. > NTesla's and BMW i3's from ~2013 are testing…

So then why not warrant against it if this is so certain? Also, ICE gas tanks don't get smaller over time. The warrant the same and more than what is powertrain warranty on ICE. this worry about battery is just silly, especially newer batteries. I had more trouble with ICE once I hit 100k than with the EV. Personally, with 11-year old Tesla S - still on original brakes (you don't really brake with regen braking) - ba…

> so basically what you are saying here would be like if I took my iphone and put it in the oven and then complained that it doesn't work quite like it should...

Not really. This is such an odd analogy. It has no context around the fact that the population has been accelerating and breaking on a different paradigm for decades. So, it'd be like saying you had to put your iPhone in the microwave once a day and then asking people to put it in the oven instead.

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Post by davidw »

cbeach wrote: post #268
davidw wrote: post #14

I'm nearly 50. I'm used to the idea of businesses owners having different politics than my own, but mostly that was the sort of self-interested "I'm wealthy and I think wealthy people should pay fewer taxes and their businesses should be subject to fewer regulations" sorts of things. You can disagree without thinking they're necessarily Bad People or worthy of boycotting their businesses. Indeed, it's the hallmark of…

The blue tribe are especially riled about Elon Musk belonging to the red tribe… because Musk once belonged to the blue tribe. To tribal types, there’s nothing worse than an apostate.

I could sit down and have a great conversation with, say, Mitt Romney or GWB, I bet. I'd learn something about the world and how they view it and their thoughts and ideas.

The white supremacy stuff is just trash though. That's not "tribes", it's unacceptable.

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