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Re: Next stop: Miami

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How is Waymo going to continue with the iPACE? Jaguar has ceased production of all cars and they are trying to reinvent themselves as an electric Rolls Royce brand.

They have a contract for 20k cars, so I expect that will continue and will help to fund Jaguar's transition: https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/mar/27/waymo-sel...

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So if it can handle Miami tropical rain, it should be okay with all sorts of normal rain. I feel like a lot of "How well does it handle rain?" comes down to how the roads are built and maintained (Huge puddles, proper drainage, etc) rather than about the car itself, as the car you could test by blasting it with water from different directions and amounts.

There’s also the question of how other drivers handle the rain. And I have to imagine it’s nontrivial to, on a test range alone, permute the full range of different surfaces’ handling characteristics under different precipitation conditions. I wonder whether, like many human drivers, Waymos might be wont to pull over and wait out the short-but-extreme Miami squalls.

Hopefully it does, because the drivers that don't stop are just driving blind and won't see the waymo.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

I don't see a taxi service from Tesla yet, while I've rode in a waymo in SF, so it is hard for me to see how Tesla is winning in the auto-taxi segment yet. Maybe their bet pays off and they dominate, or maybe waymo keeps expanding while Tesla keeps talking about vaporware, who knows?

Relative to Tesla Waymo cannot scale. Waymo vehicles are more expensive, plus the bolted on technology is expensive. Waymo can’t scale up production like Tesla. There is literally no way for them to compete. The field is tilted towards Tesla in every direction.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

Do you believe Musk's timeline estimates?

I don’t even know what the timeline is, but you see it coming fast plain as day. Both CyberCab and FSD are very far along. I’d say 2 years to build that factory and initial production line. With half the part count, they’re going to be pumping these out fast.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

> Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. Don't fall for the hype.

This is fundamental. Waymo doesn’t make cars. They can’t scale like Tesla can. Waymo vehicles are way more expensive and not optimized at all for FSD, it’s all bolt on.

If nothing changes, when CyberCab comes around Waymo will be screwed.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also relevant, when it rains in Miami during the summer, it pours . As in, zero visibility for 15-30 minutes, then it's past. So if it can handle Miami tropical rain, it should be okay with all sorts of normal rain. Out of curiosity, what's Waymo's current production sensor suite mix? I'd assume lidar and radar would also be very unhappy with the surrounding space suddenly being ~10%(?) liquid water droplets.

Lidars perform very well in the rain [1]. [1] https://ouster.com/insights/blog/lidar-vs-camera-comparison-...

Thanks! Super informative link, and what I was hoping to get.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

The bigger question is, how can Tesla with it's non-working "full self driving" compete with Waymo's working actual self-driving.

That’s a non issue. FSD is quickly approaching self driving in all scenarios. Waymo is limited specific cities and surface streets.

In a way Waymo is behind, they can’t scale fast enough. Their vehicles are far from optimal and expensive. When CyberCab comes around it will blow past Waymo with ease.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

Waymo doesn't make the cars. Geely does. And they make the same number of cars each year that Tesla does. Also deployment by city exists because each state will have different regulations.

The problem is the vehicles are expensive, it doesn’t scale. CyberCab is designed for mass mass production.

If you need a clue, look at CyberTruck already out producing both Rivian and Lightning in less than a year.

Re: Next stop: Miami

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Waymo is cool, but I have no idea how it is going to compete with the tsunami coming that is CyberCab. Tesla will be mass producing this smaller, cheaper vehicle like nothing else. Covering the entire country with self driving vehicles. I don’t know how Waymo can possibly compete with that. Their deployment by city is slow, their hardware is expensive, slown to produce, and not purpose built for self driving.

Sure, right, it should be operational by 2017 at the latest, according to the Tesla CEO.

Get ready. You guys didn’t think CyberTruck would happen, but now it’s already out producing Rivian and Lightning.

I can’t tell you when it will happen, just that it will happen and when it does Waymo is screwed.

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