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UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by octokatt »

regularization wrote: post #38

Propaganda of the deed? I guess suspects will be a list of people who have been paying into United Health Care insurance who thought they were covered, but got turned down, possibly for a terminal illness, for greater profits.

Adding the ProPublica article which talks about United Healthcare specifically denying claims for terminal diseases for greater profits.

https://www.propublica.org/article/unitedhealth-healthcare-i...

edit: We do not know the shooters motivations, nor do I presume to know. But wanted to add a link for context to the above comment to show context for the statement.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by Clubber »

mikeyouse wrote: post #185
busterarm wrote: post #94

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only if you're idiots. Edit: Especially the kind that would post about it on the internet and snitch on themselves and attract undue attention from the ATF. But yeah, some very small percentage of people are stupid and/or criminal. 99.99% of gun purchases in the US happen through an FFL with a background check and everything.

Why would the ATF give a shit? Tell me you aren't from a hunting state without telling me.. actual estimates of private sales range from 10% (NRA) to 22% (NPSOF) https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/28055050/

>Why would the ATF give a shit? Tell me you aren't from a hunting state without telling me..

This trope is so tired, but since you did it, tell me you don't keep up with gun regulatory news without telling me.. The ATF has been on a rogue rampage the last 4 years.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by s1artibartfast »

ryandrake wrote: post #246
antisthenes wrote: post #205

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> That is a true, but We should discourage and condemn them picking up guns. Nonsense. They will and should pick up guns if the entrenched systems no longer serve the purpose of the majority. Sure, it's not ideal. But sometimes it's the only way to enact change. Some of the most important rights we have today were won with violence.

It's one of the so-called "Four boxes of liberty[1]". When the soap, ballot, and jury boxes are no longer effective, we should not be surprised when people increasingly reach for the ammo box. 1: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Four_boxes_of_liberty

There is a big moral and social difference between an overwhelming majority of the people and a dissatisfied group.

The ammo box is not justified and should not be tolerated simply because someone doesn't get what they want. That route is a quick decent to societal collapse.

That is how you end up with your incels, anarchist, communists, and Christian fundamentalists shooting anyone who doesnt agree with them.

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by ceejayoz »

busterarm wrote: post #240
vundercind wrote: post #238

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> Also large amounts of crime in NY goes unreported because people mind their business and/or don't trust the cops. Yes, crime stats are a mess for a bunch of reasons. The most-reliable are murder stats, because they rarely go unreported or otherwise unnoticed, and are the hardest to "juke the stats" on, especially if you try to do it for more than a brief span of time. Those are better in scary ol' Manhattan than in…

per-capita. NYC still has like 400-500 murders a year. That's a small area. That's as many as happen in my whole state.

How many people in said state?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

Clubber wrote: post #267
s1artibartfast wrote: post #222

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>You keep saying killed, but there is a difference between letting people die and killing them. Using dubious legalese to deny a life saving claim that happens to cost say $200,000 that you took premiums for is pretty close. If you pay out of pocket, it might save your life, but you're bankrupt, your children get no inheritance, and you probably lose your house. That's a pretty insidious act for profit IMO. >Voters a…

I dont want state funded single player Medicaid for all, and would vote against it. I think my united healthcare plan is better (somewhat ironically).

Instead, I think medicaid should be offered, at cost, as a non-profit public option to all ages. This was discussed briefly during the Obama healthcare debates, but broadly rejected by left who wanted to eliminate private options. We got compulsory private healthcare instead, but I think it is still the best option. Give everyone a non-profit option with a national pool size.

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Post by dmitrygr »

tmaly wrote: post #275

I wonder if this was some response to denying care to someone?

Desperate people will do things like that. I’d be unsurprised.

If you feel that you have nothing to lose, nothing will stop you from doing such things. What is fear of prison for someone who just lost a loved one to what they feel is a heartless bureaucracy lead by this guy?

Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO Brian Thompson fatally shot in Manhattan

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Post by josefritzishere »

It's unclear for the moment if this is an angry customer or jilted lover type of killer. Is it personal or is it professional? But as the insurance company with the highest claim rejection rate, they are quite literally killing their customers, manufacturing their own long list of aggrieved suspects.

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Post by s1artibartfast »

joshmanders wrote: post #257
s1artibartfast wrote: post #231

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You make it sound like "refusing to help" was in the context of a random person begging for help to a stranger. It's more "hey, pay me a percentage of your wages and when you need help with medical bills, we will help you..." then denying the help.

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Post by [deleted] »

matt123456789 wrote: post #45
regularization wrote: post #38

Propaganda of the deed? I guess suspects will be a list of people who have been paying into United Health Care insurance who thought they were covered, but got turned down, possibly for a terminal illness, for greater profits.

I can write that query for you: > select * from subscribers

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