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What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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Yes but the point is, this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle. If you want an old car without all this crap, you can get one. But it pretty much has to be an ICE.

> this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle. This surely isn’t a large group.

I think legacy auto did a good job promoting this tho

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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I mean, besides shape and speed, what is the difference that most people are concerned about. I wasn't aware that golf carts are all electric. I just thought of a golf cart as a car used specifically to traverse golf courses and resorts.

Shape, speed, comfort (better seating), body work, windscreen, lights, gears, radio, air conditioning… I could go on If people just wanted to drive around in vehicles that were equivalent to golf carts then everyone would own a quad bike instead of a car. Cars have been around for more than a hundreds years so it’s astonishing to me that some people cannot imagine what a car would look like without the “smart” featur…

And luddites been criticising cara for being too modern for hundreds of years too.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

#273

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Yes but the point is, this technology is a blocker for people who might otherwise be interested in an electric powertrain vehicle. If you want an old car without all this crap, you can get one. But it pretty much has to be an ICE.

Bild your own electric in an old style body? Fun, if nothing else.

Also time and expense.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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post #98

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Not so. My mother bought a house in France in 1988. The previous owners had a mountain of stuff in the barn that they would come collect “soon”. 25 years passed. My mother started variously selling and disposing of their slowly rotting crap that they evidently were never going to collect, as she wanted to fix the structural issues with the barn, and their stuff was in the way, as it literally filled the entire ground…

> In Europe You can't just lump 27 countries with wildly differing laws together like this.

27 is just the EU. The whole of Europe is more like 50, which is even wilder!

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

#275

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Your ebike is limited because it can legally be operated by anybody (including a child) without needing any kind of license. If you want to legally operate a faster electric two-wheeled vehicle, take the test to get a motorbike license.

Is that why? I get up to multiples of that on a push bike every day. The kids that rip past me do too.

I used to as a kid myself. The norms were generally slower overall, limited by muscle fatigue mostly.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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post #32

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The longevity of our car not only on how good you drive, but how bad others drive.

While not false, careful defensive driving makes a big difference. But most people hate someone cutting in front of them and so won't maintain large follow ng distances

I'm not in that much of a hurry, a couple minutes later won't make a difference. I have a friend though, twice in the last year she was rear ended sitting at a red light. Both time the car was totaled. Terrible luck on her part, but not much defensive driving could do for her.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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post #194

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Is that why? I get up to multiples of that on a push bike every day. The kids that rip past me do too.

It's not why. That's just a talking point that gets repeated all too much. In most places you don't need a license to operate a boat and they go as fast as you can afford. Despite what the other poster is saying, there's no law of physics that says speed can only be unlocked by licensing.

Oregon resolves that by regulating -on motor" only speeds to something a little under 30 and less than a kilowatt.

Everything else is simply a pedal assisted ride.

And a vehicle needs to offer pedal power to qualify for unlicensed use as an e-bike. Otherwise, it becomes a motorcycle and requires registration,

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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The scary part is not the GPS installed by the fleet company that previously owned the car, which in all likelihood was just forgotten there, but the GPS and eSIM that comes with most (all?) new cars and that in most (all?) new cars cannot be disabled. Apart from privacy concerns of your data being used or sold by the car vendor, government outreach is also a concern. There was a bill announced in the US for all new…

I understand your position (and it's one I'm absolutely swayed by to a degree and sympathize with), but I can't help but think that you are assigning unreasonable weights to privacy vs. safety/convenience. (Or, perhaps more honestly, I have to remind myself to be reasonable about these weights in my life.)

Do you think preserving your privacy in this one aspect of your life will have a greater net benefit to your life than driving a safer car (under the assumption that newer cars are safer)? Especially given that presumably there's still data being collected on you even in an old car (cameras on the road, other people's cars, your phone, etc).

By analogy, what's the marginal benefit of not eating any food in packaged in plastic if your water supply is full of (unavoidable, for the sake of argument) microplastics? Is doing so worth the cost (no food for you, buddy!)?

I guess this is just another round of being principled duking it out with pragmatism.

Re: What does this button do? – My new car has a mysterious and undocumented switch

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The scary part is not the GPS installed by the fleet company that previously owned the car, which in all likelihood was just forgotten there, but the GPS and eSIM that comes with most (all?) new cars and that in most (all?) new cars cannot be disabled. Apart from privacy concerns of your data being used or sold by the car vendor, government outreach is also a concern. There was a bill announced in the US for all new…

I understand your position (and it's one I'm absolutely swayed by to a degree and sympathize with), but I can't help but think that you are assigning unreasonable weights to privacy vs. safety/convenience. (Or, perhaps more honestly, I have to remind myself to be reasonable about these weights in my life.) Do you think preserving your privacy in this one aspect of your life will have a greater net benefit to your lif…

Privacy is a safety concern. If some government agency can control your car remotely, chances are that others also will find a way to do that.
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