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Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by crossroadsguy »

thekevan wrote: post #121

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone. It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created. I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

I agree. But then a big premise of Bluesky (hence AT Proto) is that it is not centralised however when we say BlueSky we just mean Bluesky i.e https://bsky.app and that is, frankly, very concerning. It might not sustain.

While Threads is just forced Instagram users, bsky is a decentralised social network which is not decentralised. Comparing bsky with Threads is anything but a compliment.

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Post by ipaddr »

virgildotcodes wrote: post #234
ipaddr wrote: post #224

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Try words you may not like too like right wing or Trump supporter. Still work?

Being a right wing trump supporter is an immutable characteristic like being black or gay?

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Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by crossroadsguy »

protocolture wrote: post #267
hughesjj wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start. Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

Well Facebook bootstrapped using the MySpace userbase.

When MySpace essentially died. There was no such void to fill for Google+.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by crossroadsguy »

hughesjj wrote: post #143
thekevan wrote: post #121

I still feel that an enormous amount of why threads shows up in data analytics is because Instagram just added it on and made an account for everyone. It wasn't adopted, it was falsely created. I'd go even further to say that it isn't a social network, it's an add-on to another social network.

It reminds me of google plus. Technically better than the existing top dog, but the forced migration and trying to bootstrap with a huge but only semi involved userbase let it fizzle soon after the start. Has there ever been a successful case of bootstrapping a new social media product with an existing userbase? Like not just added features or merging two together.

I never used and would never use Threads for the same reason I never even considered Google+. It was DoA and I guess everyone could see it, even the people who were trying it. Such is the case with Threads.

I mean that morning when Zuck woke up and decided that a Threads a/c would need an Instagram a/c he must have seen on his daily astronomy calendar "Day of self-sabotage".

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by ipaddr »

kevincrane wrote: post #250
ipaddr wrote: post #213

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Your guess is bigots. Care to provide more details. Racism or a broader bigot definition?

I’ll be honest, I have better things to do with my time then help you narrow down your personal definition of bigot. Sorry.

I haven't heard that word since the 70s. It's outdate like 'to the moon Alice'. What were you trying to convey with that word?

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Post by ajmurmann »

ipaddr wrote: post #91
orbat wrote: post #49

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Usenet, BBSs, mailing lists etc. are social media

Those are very social places but I would classify them as not social media because real names / identities weren't attached.

Not everyone on Twitter uses their real name. Meanwhile I knew the real names of about half the top 20 most active users on a retro gaming phpbb board in the early 00s and had meet many in person and knew we everyone lived, what other hobbies they had and what they did for work or school.

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Post by jjav »

orbat wrote: post #49
ipaddr wrote: post #44

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And social media didn't exist

Usenet, BBSs, mailing lists etc. are social media

> Usenet, BBSs, mailing lists etc. are social media

In a generic sense, yes. People did socialize.

But "social media" today really means: a proprietary platform controlled by a single corporation, where all the user interaction is ultimately just a ploy to keep the participation metrics up so the corporation can profile you better and sell more advertising.

So in that sense, the absolute opposite.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by raxxorraxor »

cosmic_cheese wrote: post #90
frithsun wrote: post #27

It's inevitable that social media will split up into separate and distinct networks of people who can no longer stand or even undertand the other sociopolitical tribes. All of us sharing a singular global network was an exceptional and ephemeral circumstance.

I don’t think it’s inevitable at all. In fact I believe that the present day situation boils down to one thing only: the prioritization of engagement at the cost of all else. That’s what set us down this road. It incentivizes inflammatory posting that eschews nuance and context and twists and exaggerates the subject matter in order to provoke emotional responses — whether they be angry replies, “dunk” quote-posts, re…

Their advertising model certainly is a problem. But it isn't the only one, there are more and more users that demand other users be removed because of their opinion. When social networks started to listen to a few of them, they made themselves hostages to more demands. Platforms like Twitter or reddit certainly suffered from this.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by CaptainFever »

_DeadFred_ wrote: post #228
CaptainFever wrote: post #208

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See the Fediverse for example, which prides itself on not having algorithms, and is yet the most echo-chambery and radical place I know of. People automatically filter themselves into different servers, and defederate with each other with frequency. (Whether or not this is good or bad depends on your moral views. But I think it is obvious that "algorithms" are not really to blame.)

Didn't it spring up in response to those blameless "algorithms"?

You are correct, but my point was that it seems to me, that even though engagement algorithms aren't really a thing in the Fediverse, such filter bubbles still appear via self-sorting and de-federation. So yes, perhaps algorithms are to blame for filter bubbles in centralized social media, but removing algorithms doesn't remove filter bubbles, because people create it by themselves anyway.

TL;DR: Blaming the algorithm (correct or not) doesn't actually matter in the end, because filter bubbles happen with or without them.

Re: Bluesky is on the verge of overtaking Threads in all the ways that matter

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Post by insane_dreamer »

unnamed76ri wrote: post #53
shigawire wrote: post #13

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There is more momentum against Musk now than when threads launched. Not sure it is enough to overcome the network effect - but there is a lot of illwill towards his projects. I can see how something like SpaceX is overall a net good, but I don't see that upside for X.

Free speech is the upside of X. People leaving to join the echo chambers of Bluesky or Threads, only serves to turn X into the echo chamber they claim it is.

> Free speech is the upside of X

lol, you seriously believe that a network fully controlled by the world's richest man, accountable to no one, is a bastion of free speech? I presume you have a bridge to sell me as well?

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