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Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by BlueTemplar »

bityard wrote: post #100
brap wrote: post #89

This reminds me of “shadow banning” - instead of letting the misbehaving user know they’ve been banned, and let them find a way around it, you make them believe they’re not banned and let them waste their time interacting with the system (without actually interacting with others), this makes them spend less time on actual misuse and it makes the penalty for it more expensive. Good strategy. Cruel too. So I don’t thin…

No doubt it has been misused at some point or another, but shadow banning in the context of online communities is generally a last-resort defense against the very worst and most prolific trolls. Not someone who accidentally breaks forum etiquette one time. A person who is shadow banned generally continues their antisocial behavior in the face of multiple warnings and reprimands. I don't see it as cruel. I see it as d…

In regular communities, maybe, but that kind of abuse is rampant on platforms : I was shadowbanned on Reddit as a new user, and still regularly get shadowbanned in YouTube comments (seemingly if I dare to post more than one comment, or if I dare to add a link, including a timelink to the very video!)

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by worthless-trash »

Anamon wrote: post #257
worthless-trash wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hate to say this.. but I find this very difficult to believe.. I don't think any telco puts effort into stopping spammers.. I'd like them to but I don't think it's something they either can care or legally capable of fixing.

I work for a telco, though not in that department. We put a lot of effort into trying to block spam calls, and adapting systems to the newest tricks. The reason why the results aren't better is (I'm being told) a combination between IP telephony making reliable source tracing all but impossible, and common carrier laws which mean that you can't block a call unless you're 100% certain it's a scam, otherwise you open y…

I imagine that many of us would gladly accept blocking call with a much lower certainty. Maybe we need an audio catcha.

Thank you for the insight.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by sandos »

bsdice wrote: post #135

The scam and spam call problem is really bad in Germany to this day. And has been for 10 years. A couple years ago I would sit at my desk thinking about a really hard problem in silence. The phone rings. Spam call. Every 30-180 minutes another one. If you now think turn the phone off, well not that easy as CEO of a business when people expect you to be reachable. It creamed my corn so much that I recorded my own voic…

Wow, I am surprised to hear that. Is blocking calls not a thing there? In Sweden you can say that no sellers may call your numbers, companies where you are a customer excluded though.

I never get spam calls or sellers calling me.

Re: Daisy, an AI granny wasting scammers' time

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Post by primitivesuave »

pnut wrote: post #251
primitivesuave wrote: post #180

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They won't. The companies that operate these scam centers are diversified criminal enterprises run by ultra-wealthy and politically connected individuals. These people own the police, they own the politicians, and until fairly recently, they owned the voters through massive vote-buying schemes. You can get away with murder in India if you're wealthy enough (e.g. the case of Jessica Lal, murdered by a politician's son…

I just googled Jessica Lal and the Wikipedia article suggests that the rich murderer was convicted and sentenced to life in prison? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Jessica_Lal

He was indeed sentenced to life, but was inexplicably allowed to go in and out of prison during his sentence - on one occasion he was paroled for thirty days under dubious circumstances. He was eventually released on parole 4 years ago for "good behavior", and is now trying to rehabilitate his public image (along with his extremely corrupt father).
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