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Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by burnt-resistor »

patchorang wrote: post #164

I think this problem is even worse than just ghost jobs. My partner is currently looking for a new job. Two or three times now, they’ve completed the whole interview process, gotten great feedback. Then they are ghosted for 2-3 weeks and the company comes back and says “sorry we decided not to hire for this role”. It’s utterly exhausting. I do think when the interviews started, they had intentions to hire. (My partne…

Reasons include:

- Racial, gender, and/or local citizen discrimination avoidance

- Job security for HR so they themselves don't get laid off

- Over-interview to exceed capacity/ERP needs

- Market and/or competition intelligence

Perhaps it behooves jobseekers to stop looking for scant, temporary, insecure, disloyal, abusive work and create or sell goods or services through collective, employee-owned co-ops instead.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by actionfromafar »

jerrygenser wrote: post #253
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

> So while I will deny their green card application and not submit it, I might be missing this in the thread. What is the reason that you deny their green card application and not submit?

He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by eulers_secret »

kccqzy wrote: post #202
renegat0x0 wrote: post #105

Recently I have found several things: - there are some positions that exist only to receive new personal data information. There are companies that scrape user data when you apply for a job - some job positions are kept to make employees more productive - some job positions are kept open to show investors "we are still hiring", "we have no problems, etc. - some HR just want to have more and more data, some times it i…

Talking to a couple of people who found jobs recently, I realized that none of them actually found the job by applying online. All of them are through human relationships. It doesn't have to be someone who knew someone, but even an outsourced recruiting agency staffed by humans in a call center is more useful than applying online. The better recruiting agencies usually have an account manager who has a direct line to…

I got hired by directly applying via a company's website; it was my 11th application and my first that wasn't a moonshot (nvda/valve/etc). It was in late 2023 (very bad market), and I didn't have any connections to the company at all. I also have no online presence. Online applications are not fully dead.

Of course this is just my experience as a senior engineer in embedded, so likely doesn't apply to others. But if you're looking, it's worth your time to apply...

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by actionfromafar »

gadders wrote: post #252
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

That sounds ethical. Good to hear that H1B programme isn't being abused.

He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.

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Post by dilyevsky »

ndiddy wrote: post #36
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

I'm glad our government has introduced the H1B program to help out employers like you who are dealing with a shortage of tech workers (who will work for 2/3 market and will do anything you say because if they get fired they'll be deported).

Source that prevailing wage is 2/3 of the market?

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by actionfromafar »

acedTrex wrote: post #225
shmatt wrote: post #14

I have to put out a ghost job req and interview every person applying within reason for every green card a direct report is applying for. I have to show there are or aren’t any residents or citizens that can fill the job The main problem is: even if the interviewee knocks it out of the park, is an amazing engineer, I still am not interested in firing my OPT/h1b team member who can still legally work for 2-3 years. So…

This is just plain fraud

He found another candidate which could do the job. This finding makes it a federal crime to recommand the current H1B employee for a green card.

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Post by wing-_-nuts »

shmatt wrote: post #171
protonbob wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So basically you're wasting the interviewees time and breaking the law by admitting that you won't hire a citizen who would do the job just as well.

The law says I can’t submit the I-140 application, which I follow the law and I don’t submit it. As a people manager it’s a heartbreaking conversation to have - to tell a report their dream of staying beyond their visa is gone The law says every line manager needs to do their own industry pulse check every time an i-140 is submitted. And this is the only legal way to pulse check (advertise a ghost job). It would be m…

Don't you have to demonstrate that there is no qualified US worker? I find this unbelievable and outrageous.

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by gigel82 »

para_parolu wrote: post #183
bluGill wrote: post #169

Earlier quoted context omitted.

H1b should be a bid salery to play not first to apply. That is we will allow x of them, when you sponser someone you commit to paying them some salary for the full term - no layoffs (you get fire for cause but that is a legal thing they can take you to court for , and the courts can force you to give back pay if it wasn't a good cause) , you should know your budget can afford them. , someone who really is the best ,…

This means small companies may not get good talent that value things besides salary (wfh, perks, fun project) and will have to compete with corporations for people who only cares about money. This may (or may not) impact startups

Stop it, no one "values things besides salary", and you know it.

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Post by coding123 »

paxys wrote: post #78
niemandhier wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This will than probably change with the new American government and its anti-immigration stance. Less h1b, less ghost jobs.

Just like how the last Trump government fixed it?

House and Senate this time baby!

Re: Why is it so hard to find a job now? Enter Ghost Jobs

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Post by ChumpGPT »

riazrizvi wrote: post #179
ndiddy wrote: post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm glad our government has introduced the H1B program to help out employers like you who are dealing with a shortage of tech workers (who will work for 2/3 market and will do anything you say because if they get fired they'll be deported).

In 2023 there were 755,020 H1-B admittances. Why was it much easier to get a job in 2021? Because there were only 148,603 [1]. Notice that even though Republicans talked about immigration, neither party is talking about reducing H1-B filled roles. The kicker is if you’ve had a gap doing your own thing or because you were laid off and you apply for a job at a discount salary, you’re still not competitive against an H1…

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