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Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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Company isn’t doing so great and future doesn’t look so great and people cost a lot of money so they are letting folks go who aren’t as valuable. This makes sense.

What doesn't make sense is hiring so many people to begin with. The writing has been on the wall about Dropbox for quite a while now

Agreed! So many of these companies hired needlessly over the recent years.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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> But what would that even look like? > Iwata ran the Kyoto, Japan-based video game company [Nintendo] from 2002 until his death in 2015. To avoid layoffs, Iwata took a 50% pay cut to help pay for employee salaries, saying a fully-staffed Nintendo would have a better chance of rebounding. [0] [0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/13/nintendo-ceo-once-halved-sal...

By taking that pay cut, how many employees could Nintendo keep that would otherwise have been fired? 5? 20? Certainly not in the hundreds or thousands. This just seems like virtue signalling. Edit: to expand on my point re virtue signalling: the article states the CEO took a salary cut, not total compensation (and it doesn’t elaborate on the value of the cut). Salary is a small fraction of CEO total compensation - th…

Taking a massive pay cut isn't "virtue", it's a direct and measurable sacrifice. Just because you don't agree with the position or outcome doesn't make it "virtue", I'd wish people stop using that word for things they disagree with.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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post #259

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> Actually, I know why. It's because they have too much money and when you have too much cash, you start splurging without thinking and then one day the chickens come home to roost. This is an incredibly uncharitable and shallow take, on the level of that comment many years ago that said something along the lines of "what's so interesting about Dropbox? It's just rsync, I could build it in a weekend". We don't operat…

I think what people forget about layoffs is that all those "excess" employees who have been there didn't sit around doing nothing during the time they were there. Those 20% of Dropbox staff wrote a bunch of code, made a bunch of sales, and did a lot of other tasks that will have an impact even after they don't work there anymore. Even though they are being laid off, their contributions still have a positive impact on…

> The truth is that businesses need the employees that they need at a point in time, and that number is constantly changing.

Another truth is that we've collectivly decided that all people must be working in order to "earn" their right to exist. So anytime there is a large layoff like this, there are a lot of new stories about people relocating, making major changes to their lives, some for the better, some for the worse, and some for the absolutely devastaing.

One must not forget that these 'human resources' are more than just a number.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But what would that even look like? > Iwata ran the Kyoto, Japan-based video game company [Nintendo] from 2002 until his death in 2015. To avoid layoffs, Iwata took a 50% pay cut to help pay for employee salaries, saying a fully-staffed Nintendo would have a better chance of rebounding. [0] [0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/13/nintendo-ceo-once-halved-sal...

By taking that pay cut, how many employees could Nintendo keep that would otherwise have been fired? 5? 20? Certainly not in the hundreds or thousands. This just seems like virtue signalling. Edit: to expand on my point re virtue signalling: the article states the CEO took a salary cut, not total compensation (and it doesn’t elaborate on the value of the cut). Salary is a small fraction of CEO total compensation - th…

In this specific case, don't we exactly want the CEO to signal virtue to the company and employees ?

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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TIL that nobody knows what they're doing. Jokes aside, how do you end up having more than 500 excess people than what you need? What is management exactly doing during the time they went from 1 excess person to 500? Did they just hope the "macroeconomic headwinds" would become tailwinds? Didn't they at some point see that they have more people than valuable work, and maybe we should deal with that problem instead of…

What is a fiefdom without serfs?

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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TIL that nobody knows what they're doing. Jokes aside, how do you end up having more than 500 excess people than what you need? What is management exactly doing during the time they went from 1 excess person to 500? Did they just hope the "macroeconomic headwinds" would become tailwinds? Didn't they at some point see that they have more people than valuable work, and maybe we should deal with that problem instead of…

There is a tendency for managers at big tech companies to want to hire regardless of need and "build an empire", so they can then say on LinkedIn that they managed n number of people. Then they will move to another big tech company, rinse and repeat. At these companies, the more people you manage is translated by higher ups to responsibility and salary. There isn't much reward to keep a team small, focused, and efficient.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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The problem with DropBox is that it can't really compete with Google, Microsoft, Adobe, Amazon Drive, etc. It's too narrow of an offering.

Open the "More" menu in your Dropbox interface and I think you may be surprised at how many different products they have. I am sure they're not trying to be a Microsoft of Google, but they're trying to make a niche in document handling, file sending, password management, a lot of those little things that are something of a pain for many businesses. I think if you compare what Dropbox is offering at $15/user/month to…

    > Open the "More" menu in your Dropbox interface and I think you may be surprised at how many different products they have.
Yeah, but what if I don't need/want "more"? I just want my files on my different devices.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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For context, Drew Houston's total compensation for the year in 2023 was $1.5M: > According to our data, Dropbox, Inc. ... paid its CEO total annual compensation worth US$1.5m over the year to December 2023. That's a notable increase of 34% on last year via https://finance.yahoo.com/news/heres-why-dropbox-inc-nasdaq-... Even if Drew took minimum wage, that would save ~15 jobs assuming $100K all-in comp (which seems lo…

Public company CEO pay is almost always paid by shareholders not by the company itself. It's so misleading that these "CEO compensation is 100x employee pay" stats always get kicked around like it is an apples to apples comparison. It's not. CEO's get paid in stock which they need to redeem from shareholders. Employees get paid with cash which them redeem from the company's checking account. They are different source…

Yes, but we can all agree that stock/$ is pretty fungible and can be exchanged for goods and services in pretty much the same way. So effectively, it is apples to apples.

Re: Dropbox announces 20% global workforce reduction

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post #133
post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But what would that even look like? > Iwata ran the Kyoto, Japan-based video game company [Nintendo] from 2002 until his death in 2015. To avoid layoffs, Iwata took a 50% pay cut to help pay for employee salaries, saying a fully-staffed Nintendo would have a better chance of rebounding. [0] [0]: https://www.cnbc.com/2024/02/13/nintendo-ceo-once-halved-sal...

By taking that pay cut, how many employees could Nintendo keep that would otherwise have been fired? 5? 20? Certainly not in the hundreds or thousands. This just seems like virtue signalling. Edit: to expand on my point re virtue signalling: the article states the CEO took a salary cut, not total compensation (and it doesn’t elaborate on the value of the cut). Salary is a small fraction of CEO total compensation - th…

Virtue signaling actually works, people wouldn’t do it otherwise. ;P
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