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Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 »

dmd wrote: post #112
bdcravens wrote: post #100

> The bezels and gaps in between the monitors introduce distractions and one is limited in how one may arrange terminals and windows across multiple displays. To me, the segmentation is a feature. It lets me offload information density and focus. For example, I commonly have an editor on one screen, a browser on the second, and something like a chat app, terminal, etc on the laptop screen.

Nobody's stopping you from segmenting one big monitor into different regions; and you get to choose how big those regions are from day to day rather than being forced into it.

Anything fullscreen? How are you segmenting sub displays easily in that scenario?

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Post by williamDafoe »

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

You COMPLETELY missed the elephant in the room : 8K TVs have really, really massive CPUs that waste a TON of power (150-200w for the CPU, 300-400w for the TV, often!) Think 8 cores of the fastest arm 64-bit processors available plus extra hardware accelerators! They need this extra processing power to handle the 8K television load, such as upscaling and color transforms - which never happen when you are using them as a monitor!

So, 8K TVs are a big energy-suck! There's a reason why European regulations banned 100% of 8K TVs until the manufacturers undoubtedly paid for a loophole, and now 8K TVs in Europe are shipped in a super-power-saver mode where they consume just barely below the maximum standard amount of power (90w) ... but nobody leaves them in this mode because they look horrible and dim!

If everybody were to upgrade to an 8K TV tomorrow, then I think it would throw away all the progress we've made on Global Warming for the past 20 years ...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by kev009 »

dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

I had the Dell 8k monitor you mentioned, the picture quality was great but it died after a few years not long after the warranty expired (a gut punch at the purchase price) and they said too bad so sad... ok that's fine but I will never buy another Dell product again. It was released too early to have proper displayport support and I had to use a custom nvidia-driver X11 config to make it mostly work as two monitors. And there is basically no way to use that kind of DPI without scaling.

I replaced it with an LG 43UN700 which is a 43" 4K display that I use unscaled and although the LCD panel is vastly inferior I love the thing especially at the price point (under $700). I hope manufacturers continue to support this niche of large singular flat displays because they are fantastic for coding, data viewing/visualization and pitch hit at content consumption as your article states although this one would be no good for gaming. And getting a "monitor" or "professional display" firmware load means a lot less problems than a Smart TV load.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by Kon5ole »

I got my 8k 55" tv for under 1000 usd several years ago. Brand new, from a brick and mortar electronics store. So it is definitely possible to make 8k monitors for less than 1000 usd.

A mere 55" with 8K resolution makes no sense as a TV, but it's glorious as a productivity monitor. But instead of becoming commonplace as monitors, the panels seem to just be disappearing even as TV's. At the moment I can't find anything at any price that can replace my current setup.

The market isn't working for monitors. Everything available now is either crap, or costs 10x more than it clearly could. Millions of people are spending years of their lives in front of bad screens because monitor makers don't want to make good ones.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by mewpmewp2 »

williamDafoe wrote: post #272
dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

You COMPLETELY missed the elephant in the room : 8K TVs have really, really massive CPUs that waste a TON of power (150-200w for the CPU, 300-400w for the TV, often!) Think 8 cores of the fastest arm 64-bit processors available plus extra hardware accelerators! They need this extra processing power to handle the 8K television load, such as upscaling and color transforms - which never happen when you are using them as…

How does it compare to working from home as opposed to driving to the office?

E.g. let's say I drive 10 miles a day to get to the office vs use an 8k TV at home?

If I go out of my way to work from home, would I be ethically ok to use 8k monitor?

Back of the napkin it seems like 8k monitor would be 10x better than driving to the office?

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by locusofself »

Kon5ole wrote: post #274

I got my 8k 55" tv for under 1000 usd several years ago. Brand new, from a brick and mortar electronics store. So it is definitely possible to make 8k monitors for less than 1000 usd. A mere 55" with 8K resolution makes no sense as a TV, but it's glorious as a productivity monitor. But instead of becoming commonplace as monitors, the panels seem to just be disappearing even as TV's. At the moment I can't find anythin…

I feel like Apple's 30 inch 6k display would be the sweet spot for me, but its 60 hz and cost what.. $6,000 ? I just use 27" 4k monitors for work. It's fine but I'd definitely like something a bit bigger and even crisper. I have to use windows for work though.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by seb1204 »

williamDafoe wrote: post #272
dllu wrote: post #174

Author here, ask me anything! Apart from programming, one of the motivations for getting the 8K display is to look at lidar point clouds. For example the desktop background in my post is a lidar map of Bernal Hill in San Francisco, which I've here downsampled to only 13006 x 7991 px for your convenience [1]. Admittedly, when I bought it at first, I didn't realize there would be so many random issues, as manufacturers…

You COMPLETELY missed the elephant in the room : 8K TVs have really, really massive CPUs that waste a TON of power (150-200w for the CPU, 300-400w for the TV, often!) Think 8 cores of the fastest arm 64-bit processors available plus extra hardware accelerators! They need this extra processing power to handle the 8K television load, such as upscaling and color transforms - which never happen when you are using them as…

Great aspect to consider, thanks for raising it.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by xyztimm »

kanbankaren wrote: post #236
qingcharles wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I had a 55" TV as my main display in 2022. Had it about a foot away from my face. It takes a few days, but your brain and body get used to the size. I just bought a 39" ultrawide and for the first few days I thought "oh dear, I have to keep turning to see the whole thing," but I've not even thought about it for a couple of weeks now, so I guess I'm acclimated. YMMV.

I have been using a 32" monitor for the last 10 years. I have found that I am using mostly the center of the monitor. The peripheral edges remain unused. If I sit far from the monitor, then the FOV could be reduced, but then I have to increase the font size defeating the very purpose of maximizing screen real estate.

This is pretty much what I concluded as well after using my 43" 4K LG monitor for about 3 years. Lately I've been trying out my wife's 27" Apple Studio Display. It's smaller but the PPI is amazing...

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by imaginarypedro »

mdrzn wrote: post #20

"8K TVs tend to start at around $1500 to $2000 for a 65” one. This is about the same as getting four 32” 4K monitors." Getting 3 32" 4k monitors is still better than having a single point of failure. But also I'm extremely happy with my single Odyssey G9 55".

You're so right about the single point of failure.

I bought a 30" monitor back in 2008 when that constituted a large monitor. It had a 12 month warranty and died after 13 months. :-(

I switched to 2 24-inch monitors which cost less, had more total pixels, and most importantly I no longer had that single point of failure.

Re: Using an 8K TV as a Monitor

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Post by seb1204 »

dllu wrote: post #264
itronitron wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm curious how much heat this thing puts off, and whether there are particular display types that generate more heat than others.

Yeah it does emit a bit of heat. I think around one or two hundred watts? I haven't measured it directly. I have a mini split air conditioner in my home office.

Makes sense, also See comment about energy consumption of 8k TV above.
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