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Post by jonplackett »

recursive wrote: post #169
jonplackett wrote: post #125

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Thanks. That’s clearer! Ok my next comeback - people are treating AI tools like a musical instrument. It’s like picking up a guitar for the first time, twanging a few strings and saying ‘Nah, this sounds shit’. Guitars are useless. I’d never pay for a guitar. Even chatGPT has a learning curve. I save myself hours or days per day using it for all sorts of things. Anyone who says they can’t find a use for AI is just la…

Lazy? Is it a moral failing not to be interested in playing the guitar? I have no interest in guitar music, so why should I "try hard"?

I think you’re missing the point.

There are lots of people who could benefit massively from using AI. Who have no moral objection to it. But they just dismiss it so quickly because it doesn’t instantly, magically make beautiful things for them.

Anyone who cannot get something useful done by AI - who does want to do that - is lazy.

It’s like saying in the 19th century - oh this electricity isn’t really useful for anything much beyond lights. What’s the point?

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Post by WOTERMEON »

reportingsjr wrote: post #230
lancesells wrote: post #202

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iOS has been doing this for a bit too. I don't use it enough to really know how good it is but I can definitely look for cats or people I know. Haven't used Apple Intelligence yet so maybe that's better as well?

Google photos is way, way, way better than apple photos at this. It’s not even a competition. I have my sister’s dogs named in my google photos library. Every time I a take a picture of either dog, they are automatically tagged and added to a shared album I set up for my sister. I have nieces and nephews with photos from newborn age to 10+ years old, and it has managed to organize them across their growth and ages. I…

But one of the two you can have on your device and do not have to pay rent

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Post by jonathanlb »

zomg wrote: post #20

what's a realistic use case for ai on a mobile phone? i have yet to find myself saying "gee, if only i had ai on my phone, i could do XYZ!"

One use case could be improving navigation directions. Right now, map apps provide granular, step-by-step instructions that include unnecessary details, such as how to exit your own neighborhood.

AI could provide more human-oriented direction that focus on key landmarks and decisions rather than every minor turn. For example:

"Hop on 80 West, cross the bridge, take Sir Francis Drake onto 101 South, take the Alexander Avenue exit, don't go through the tunnel, and your destination will be on the right."

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Post by paul7986 »

dragonwriter wrote: post #153
paul7986 wrote: post #150

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Im not sure people really know how to use an AI chat bot or understand its a more powerful, quicker and personally more fun way of getting information then just a Google search Some personal examples of how I find it more useful (love to hear yours) and fun to use.... - Wanted to go on a hike an hour away from where both my friend (lives two hours west of me) and I live. Asked GPT what are some good hikes an hour dri…

> Im not sure people really know how to use an AI chat bot or understand its a more powerful, quicker and personally more fun way of getting information then just a Google search I can't speak to your personal entertainment experience, but AI chatbots are generally a slower, less accurate way of getting information than a google search. (Though Google polluting search results with a big, often inaccurate, AI result a…

If you use it for research where you have to do many google searches vs. just ask one question like hiking question it's much quicker asking one question vs. multiple google searches to get ur answer.

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Post by rsynnott »

ip26 wrote: post #222
rsynnott wrote: post #162

Today in incredibly obvious things... Smartphones are an absolute graveyard of fads; remember the 3D screen phones, the phones with projectors, and so forth? They generally go nowhere. I suspect 'AI' on phones will be similar. Overwhelmingly, what people want out of phones is "like my current phone, but with better battery life and maybe a better camera." Previously 'faster' was also a concern, but modern phones are…

There's a lot we quietly take for granted. Supposedly the NPUs on phones were originally added to let the phone identify objects in your photo library. When shopping for phones, I tend to shop for better battery and camera... but I also wouldn't go back to a photo library without identification.

Yeah, I should possibly qualify; by ‘AI’ on phones I would expect that the average person polled understands LLMs, image generation, that sort of thing. OCR, image classification, etc, I doubt they’re thinking of that when answering this; that wouldn’t even have been marketed as ‘AI’ until a couple years ago.

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Post by rsynnott »

changing1999 wrote: post #181
rsynnott wrote: post #162

Today in incredibly obvious things... Smartphones are an absolute graveyard of fads; remember the 3D screen phones, the phones with projectors, and so forth? They generally go nowhere. I suspect 'AI' on phones will be similar. Overwhelmingly, what people want out of phones is "like my current phone, but with better battery life and maybe a better camera." Previously 'faster' was also a concern, but modern phones are…

Even camera improvements are overblown. My usage and photo quality did not improve much since ~iPhone 6. Taking decent travel photos, selfies, etc - I was happy with the results 10 years ago. Technically, I understand the difference in the technology, I just don't know who needs that vs who gets excited about new features for a brief moment.

I think some people do genuinely care about the camera improvements; personally anything I’ve used from the iPhone 7 on has been _fine_, but I’m not a demanding camera-user.

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Post by chihuahua »

rsynnott wrote: post #162

Today in incredibly obvious things... Smartphones are an absolute graveyard of fads; remember the 3D screen phones, the phones with projectors, and so forth? They generally go nowhere. I suspect 'AI' on phones will be similar. Overwhelmingly, what people want out of phones is "like my current phone, but with better battery life and maybe a better camera." Previously 'faster' was also a concern, but modern phones are…

My favorite one (in the sense of "most useless") is Amazon's Fire Phone, which had multiple cameras so it could figure out where your face is relative to the screen, which would enable some crazy 3D effect.

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Post by addaon »

njtransit wrote: post #133
addaon wrote: post #127

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> 95% of everyday AI needs This assumes that the capabilities and use cases are unchanged. Yes, for the AI features available today, I suppose ChatGPT can do much of it -- I wouldn't know because it's not interesting or useful to me, so I don't use it. But: If I'm deciding whether AI features are important to me in making a decision to spend money on a future phone, it's those future AI features that I will be assess…

You seriously assess "future AI features" when buying a phone? Have you heard the expression "a bird in the hand is worth two in the bush"? Also, what is the lifetime of a phone? How far in the future are these new features expected?

No, I assess current AI features when buying a phone, in the future. Any survey about what features customers value in phones they are considering buying inherently ask questions about future behavior, occurring in the future’s present.

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Post by rbanffy »

jajko wrote: post #244
rbanffy wrote: post #233

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I trust a defective AI a lot more than I trust Fox News ;-) Now, more seriously, it'd need to put together a coherent argument and back it up with reputable sources, as just citing sources is very ineffective. The article I cited gives more details on possible approaches to that.

People eternally hoping that some new trick will finally make the other people understand how their side of the story/argument is one and only truly truthful. I guess this is old as mankind. With your argument, the problem happens when given person goes to Fox news in the first place. Selection of the source has already been made, with its biases. Not much you can do or expect after this point. Also, who curates the…

> their side of the story/argument is one and only truly truthful.

There are no sides in objective reality. You might offer competing hypotheses and evidence for those, but we don’t need to do that to know that climate change is real, that it’s caused by humans, and that vaccines work.

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