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UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by ClumsyPilot »

callamdelaney wrote: post #253
ClumsyPilot wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And 65 million years ago an asteroid detonated with the power of all of the world’s nukes combined, so there is no need to worry about nuclear war. And timespans are like that for climate too, millions of years not 299

The little ice age lasted from 1300 to 1850 [0], so 299 years is not orders of magnitudes off. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

That’s less that half a degree, barely noticeable. Climate change is predicted to be 6 degrees or thereabouts

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by bpodgursky »

toyg wrote: post #267
bpodgursky wrote: post #257

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No, because they will always find some phantom menace of colonization to complain about. Look at the Chagos Islands themselves — they were literally not inhabited until Europeans settled them. There's no "decolonization" narrative here, because there's no native population. Once the UK leaves the Chagos islands, it will be about foreign aid with strings attached, or IMF loans, or foreign investment in farmland, or wh…

> they were literally not inhabited until Europeans settled them Decolonization is not simply about removing troops from here or there, it's about taking responsibility for actions that enriched $motherland at the expense of $colony. French and British colonialists moved people to Chagos for their own profit, and then (together with Americans) ejected their descendants from what had become, by then, a homeland; pushi…

You are illustrating my point perfectly.

There is no amount of "decolonizing" the UK can do that will put an end to the grievances. As long as African warlords want to blame their problems on someone else, they will find a way to link it in some nebulous way to lasting inter-generational damage by ex-colonizers.

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by ajlhasda »

botanical wrote: post #216

France needs to give back sovereignty of so many islands around Madagascar. It's galling that they still act like a colonial state.

Like Mayotte?

The population there is the single biggest electorate for the far right. Yes, that's right; they are black Muslims yet vote for Le Pen's party around 60%.

That's because the very last thing they want is to rejoin the Comoros and be ruled by their former slavers again; France abolished slavery when it took control of Mayotte, which never was a real independent nation but an island constantly taken over by various Muslim warlords or pirates.

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by toyg »

bpodgursky wrote: post #272
toyg wrote: post #267

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> they were literally not inhabited until Europeans settled them Decolonization is not simply about removing troops from here or there, it's about taking responsibility for actions that enriched $motherland at the expense of $colony. French and British colonialists moved people to Chagos for their own profit, and then (together with Americans) ejected their descendants from what had become, by then, a homeland; pushi…

You are illustrating my point perfectly. There is no amount of "decolonizing" the UK can do that will put an end to the grievances. As long as African warlords want to blame their problems on someone else, they will find a way to link it in some nebulous way to lasting inter-generational damage by ex-colonizers.

> There is no amount of "decolonizing" the UK can do that will put an end to the grievances.

That's not true. Plenty of decolonized countries just go about their business, once the outstanding issues are solved; or even when they try to stir shit, nobody listens to them.

Here though we do have an outstanding problem that needs to be solved. Once the islands go to Mauritius and the expelled population is resettled, there will be nothing left to complain about in that particular area. Obviously, thanks to the sheer size of injustice perpetrated in colonial times, there will be plenty left to complain about elsewhere. The only answer is to solve problems with goodwill, not to bury our heads in the sand pretending our ancestors never did what they did.

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Post by ethbr1 »

vkou wrote: post #223
ethbr1 wrote: post #80

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He is 71 and getting older. A lot of crazy things look more reasonable when you've had absolute power for a decade and aren't overly concerned about consequences in 20 years.

A lot of crazy things look more reasonable when you realize that your metric for 'crazy' and 'not crazy' is less about gauging the mental state of the person making those decisions, and more about how much/little they upset Western interests.

Invading sovereign nations is pretty crazy. (Said to castigate both western and non-western countries)

Sometimes the standards of human decency are global.

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by ethbr1 »

dangus wrote: post #258
ethbr1 wrote: post #141

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Sidelining potential political competitors and/or forcing them out of the public sphere doesn't inspire confidence in Xi's ability to resist using power conveniently. > The Chinese government under Xi has a well-established track record of long-term planning that has done nothing but elevated China's status and leverage in the world. Some of its neighbors in the South China Sea would beg to differ. E.g. https://m.you…

I’m confused at what your video is supposed to disprove about what I said. China rammed into a Philippine ship knowing they would face zero consequences. Did they face any consequences? China’s neighbors can hem and haw all they want. China is the superpower in the Eastern Hemisphere.

Your use of "status" sounded like "people like them."

If you were intending it in the sense of "people fear them," then agreed.

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by callamdelaney »

ClumsyPilot wrote: post #271
callamdelaney wrote: post #253

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The little ice age lasted from 1300 to 1850 [0], so 299 years is not orders of magnitudes off. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Ice_Age

That’s less that half a degree, barely noticeable. Climate change is predicted to be 6 degrees or thereabouts

Wow I predict things too, they don't always come true. Remind me when we go up 6 degrees and i'll care.

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Post by BurningFrog »

pabs3 wrote: post #176
BurningFrog wrote: post #114

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The island is certainly in the risk zone, but I think that is also unknowable. My guess is that by carbon sequestering and/or SO2 injection in the stratosphere, the climate change will be controllable within a few decades.

> SO2 injection in the stratosphere https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_Piercer#Plot

We know from studying when volcanoes spew SO₂ to the stratosphere that is breaks down by itself over 1-2 years.

So if it somehow causes some unforeseen bad effect, we just have to wait a while as it goes away.

Re: UK will give sovereignty of Chagos Islands to Mauritius

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Post by sealeck »

aguaviva wrote: post #156
sealeck wrote: post #144

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For context the entire continent of Africa has roughly the same GDP as the UK.

For even more context, GDP isn't everything.

No but if you don't have a scientific base or money it's hard to be a geopolitical power.
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