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What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by dylan604 »

capitainenemo wrote: post #242
goldsteinq wrote: post #217

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Do you get a freshly-printed paper menu every time? From the hygiene standpoint, remote-ordering from your phone is the best, screens are worse (but at least you can wipe them before use) and paper menus are the worst, since it may be harder to disinfect them.

Which is why restaurant menus are often laminated.

No, they are laminated to protect from spills that damage the menus and require a replacement. The places with laminated menus are not concerned about your health when making the lamination decisions. Otherwise, do you assume by their being laminated that the staff dutifully washes/disinfects them after being collected from each table every time? I can assure you they are not. They are only wiped off when they are spilled upon, and not even that well.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by mihaaly »

goldsteinq wrote: post #217
mihaaly wrote: post #178

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At least the screen is only touced by you. My peril are the touch screen ordering places (practically all fast food places nowadays) where based on their outlook hygienically challanged persons swipe their fingers up and down for long before you have a chance following them. There is an icecream place opened nearby I had no chance trying because they only have touchscreen order. Guys at the till only serve icecream a…

Do you get a freshly-printed paper menu every time? From the hygiene standpoint, remote-ordering from your phone is the best, screens are worse (but at least you can wipe them before use) and paper menus are the worst, since it may be harder to disinfect them.

It was beyond the phone screen based matters you see (which is a great dirt magnet beyond toilet seats actually, like keyboards, coming from the need of constant touch in all and every life situations). I believe you hold paper menu without the need of smearing the matter on your skin all over it you know (or just leave alone on the table if it is one page), unlike touch screens where it is a must ... Also the fast food places stear people towards glass surfaces smearing the cover of their skin all over normally had no menus, just look up and say what you want. Now, you must touch all over like the handle of the public toilet, only more! Different scenario.

[1] https://ihpi.umich.edu/news/your-cell-phone-10-times-dirtier...

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by Am4TIfIsER0ppos »

coisnepe wrote: post #136
frereubu wrote: post #118

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My main beef with these menus is that I can't see the entire menu on my phone screen, and end up scrolling up and down multiple times before I can decide what I want to order. With a paper menu my eyes can flick up and down much faster. It's like trying to edit spreadsheets on a phone - technically possible but a real pain in the arse.

Reminds me of how some people mocked me for having O'Reilly and such massive reference books when I started learning Python and Ruby. "But everything's online!" they claimed. Sure, but nothing's faster than browsing the index for what you're looking for and then skimming the section you're interested in, as opposed to going back and forth StackOverflow threads and random blogs. Currently renovating my house and I aga…

Online documentation is good if you already know what you're looking for. It is shit if you want to discover what is available. I am specifically thinking of the python docs and the time I, as a not-python programmer, wanted to see the various "grouping" types (lists, arrays, sets, dicts, tuples, whatever).

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by moralestapia »

esrauch wrote: post #257
moralestapia wrote: post #252

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I get the unauthorized access argument. But how does it become fraud?

Defeating access control by using credentials that aren't yours is fraud. Like, if you found a company badge laying around, go to that office and flash the badge to the security guard and go in. You've committed fraud by tricking the guard into thinking you're authorized to enter when you weren't.

I see, thanks.

No credentials involved here, though.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by hunter2_ »

whamlastxmas wrote: post #249
drdec wrote: post #237

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This principle is clear if you apply a real world analogy. Just because you happen to have keys to a building doesn't mean you can enter without authorization from the owner. (E.g. you may have kept copies after a lease expires or a sale, it maybe you found them, etc.)

Considering it’s a API available without any authorization, the better comparison would be walking around on unfenced private land. There’s nothing to indicate they don’t want people on it but it’s also obvious it’s private land.

Walking around isn't usually a big deal until told to leave (verbally or by way of conspicuously posted signs), since that is a prerequisite to trespassing. Otherwise, delivery people would operate in a gray area which would be very problematic for them, since not all deliveries are requested by the recipient/owner.

However, although you are free to walk around in search of the front door, you can't start eating the fruit off the trees. Perhaps that's the better analogy: the trees are happy to serve up a delicious treat for anyone requesting something of it, but that doesn't mean the tree sets the rules. Just because fences preventing this are popular doesn't make them compulsory.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by nickthegreek »

TeMPOraL wrote: post #128
eleveriven wrote: post #123

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A nice middle ground yet that tablets can be costly for restaurants to implement and maintain

An even nicer and cheaper middle ground is a color-printed menu with photos, and/or a larger menu with photos over the counter. For customer, it's all the benefit of a digital menu with none of the downsides. Of course, all the downsides are the very reason restaurants are switching to digital menus in the first place, which is something people need to be reminded of. In cases of "I can't believe they replaced a perf…

and of course, weekend, daily or hourly price changes. You cant surge on a printed menu.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by tetha »

nkrisc wrote: post #220
moralestapia wrote: post #158

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Curious. How is this, specifically, fraud?

The gist of some various laws around the world is that simply obtaining credentials does not authorize you to access the system, and accessing it without authorization is the illegal part.

Interestingly enough, the very lawsuit-happy nature of a major german party has "backfired" quite a bit recently. A security researcher was found not guilty of circumventing security measures or accessing authorized computer systems or resources without authorization, because there were no security measures or authorization on the API to circumvent.

Though note that this would not help one if one started to use or abuse the API to get free food or cause financial damage to a restaurant through fake orders. For example, ordering the corn soup through the API could really backfire if someone wants to present it as good old fraud or theft, or if the recipient of the unexpected soup got into trouble and started to look for someone to hand the damages to.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by IshKebab »

oefrha wrote: post #214
IshKebab wrote: post #145

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People will find a way to be nostalgic about anything I guess. "There's something special about having a wire attached to your phone." "There's something special about greeting a lift operator." "There's something special about hand-washing clothes."

There’s indeed something special about a waiter pretending to be my best friend — the discomfort is quite special.

Yeah fortunately that's pretty unique to the US. I will never forget when I asked a waiter in Chicago where the loo was and he led me to it. Super weird.

Re: What's inside the QR code menu at this cafe?

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Post by hunter2_ »

moralestapia wrote: post #275
esrauch wrote: post #257

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Defeating access control by using credentials that aren't yours is fraud. Like, if you found a company badge laying around, go to that office and flash the badge to the security guard and go in. You've committed fraud by tricking the guard into thinking you're authorized to enter when you weren't.

I see, thanks. No credentials involved here, though.

TFA mentioned sending requests with a table number that the sender was not at. That is hardly any different from the idea of showing a badge that wasn't issued to you. The ease of spoofing doesn't matter at all, in the eyes of such laws.

The same could be said about typing any URL that wasn't knowingly supplied to you by the owner, but a "reasonableness test" in court would sort those out from nefarious activity.

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