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> There could be a regulating body which could determine the risk to people's mental health for example from 'features' of tech companies etc. I think ideas like this is why it's not going to happen. Our understanding of mental health is garbage. Psychiatry used to be full of quackery and very well still might be. Treatment for something like depression boils down to "let's try drug in a random order until one works"…

That is not the treatment for depression. this argument reduces mental health to medication, which leaves aside everything from the history of mental health (asylums, witch burnings to today), leaps in medicine (from lobotomies, to SNRIs, bipolar meds and more), to simply better diagnoses. There are certainly tons of people here who have benefited from mental health professionals - overextending the flaws in psych si…

I disagree, in brief because the practical side of psychiatry is medication-dominated, mostly because medical research is difficult and expensive.

There are some non-medication treatments for some psychiatric symptoms such as those caused by trauma (Prominently, EMDR) that some hail as actual cures, and even maybe depression (I am clearly not a doctor.) but in the case of depression I think you'll find its quite medication-heavy.

The reason for this is that psychiatrists are Medical Doctors and Psychiatry is a medical field which is of course bounded by the means of medical science. This is not to say there is some "magic" at work which science could never understand--not at all. It is merely the case that medical doctors are a research paper oriented bunch, and most of the medical research which makes it into practice is either relating to anatomy or pharmaceutical interventions.

Most of the treatments we have are pharmaceutical medications because most of our research dollars have gone into pharmaceutical research.

I decided to edit this comment to add: In my personal opinion, is probable that psychiatrists et all, writ large as it were, have already figured out how to cure depression. Only, we cannot really manage to employ it because it isn't a pill, therapy, device or surgery.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Ever stop and think it's funny that Meta, Google, etc. are worth billions because they figured out how to legally fill a database with information about you? In any other time in history some might call it spying, but well they figured out how to do it legally, and it's worth billions. Meanwhile from a technical standpoint, remotely logging your data is a trivial thing, with consent of course. It's like, we made this…

Spying is done without consent. Why do people keep saying social media is just a database?

Facebook will create shadow profiles of you even if you've never signed up, never created a profile. They'll take your number from other people's contacts via WhatsApp. They'll do facial scans of you on photos other people upload.

Even if you've never visited their site.

Where's the consent there?

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To me, what's missing from that set of recommendations is some method to increase the liability of companies who mishandle user data. It is insane to me that I can be notified via physical mail of months old data breaches, some of which contained my Social Security number, and that my only recourse is to set credit freezes from multiple credit bureaus.

YMMV, but it took me 15 minutes start to finish to freeze my credit with the 3 bureaus using the following instructions. https://www.nerdwallet.com/article/finance/how-to-freeze-cre...

Ok, but this is something that shouldn't be my problem. And it's not just that; I have to go unfreeze it if someone needs to run a credit check.

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Lina Khan has been on a tear. She actually seems to care about online human rights.

I will be surprised if she's still there six months from now. Trump will remove her if he becomes president; whereas if Harris wins, and the GOP take the Senate--a pretty likely scenario--I fear Harris won't hesitate to use Khan as a bargaining chip to gain confirmation of her appointments.

See also on this topic:

>Two billionaire Harris donors hope she will fire FTC Chair Lina Khan

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/two-billionaire-harris-dono...

>Kamala Harris’ Donors Privately Urge Firing of FTC’s Khan, SEC’s Gensler

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-09-06/kamala-ha...

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The fact that my data can be stolen in the first place is already outrageous, because I neither consented to allowing these companies to have my data, nor benefit from them having my data. It's like if you go to an AirBNB and the owner sneaks in at night and takes photos of you sleeping naked and keeps those photos in a folder on his bookshelf. Would you be okay with that? If you're not directly harmed, what liabilit…

> before anyone asks, "personalized advertisements" is not a good reason The good reason is growth. Our AI sector is based on, in large part, the fruits of these data. Maybe it's all baloney, I don't know. But those are jobs, investment and taxes that e.g. Europe has skipped out on that America and China are capitalising on. My point, by the way, isn't pro surveillance. I enjoy my privacy. But blanket labelling perso…

See - your problem is you think you're talking to politicians, Facebook-era journalists, disinfo activists.

Most people here have thought more about the the topic of privacy in the modern era far more than what some 70 year old politician has.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Yep. It sucks. Zero consequences of any import for those companies as far as I'm aware too. Tiny fines end up being "cost of doing business". Then they get to externalize their failures onto us by using terms like "Identity Theft", which indicates something was stolen from ME and is now MY problem. In actuality some not-well-maintained systems owned by were hacked or exposed or someone perpetrated fraud on a financia…

PSA pro tip: they will try to steer you toward “locking” your account. Don’t fall for it. Freeze your account.

Do you know why they do this?

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> and people are ok with that I've seen no evidence of this. People mostly either don't understand it for feel powerless against it.

> I've seen no evidence of this Over 99% of Americans point a camera at themselves while they take a shit.

Best comment I've seen on hn, maybe ever. Perfect refutation, comic, on point.

Re: FTC: Vast Surveillance of Users by Social Media and Video Streaming Companies

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Snowden pointed and everyone looked at his finger. It was a huge shame, but a cultural sign that the US is descending into a surveillance hell hole and people are ok with that . As someone who was (and still is) vehemently against PRISM and NSLs and all that, it was hard to come to terms with. I'm going to keep building things that circumvent the "empire" and hope people start caring eventually.

> and people are ok with that I've seen no evidence of this. People mostly either don't understand it for feel powerless against it.

Not true at all. I'm a tech person, understand it all and the implications, and I'm not being a doomer about it.

The more people faff about and fight for privacy as a misguided absolute, the less discussions we can have about ethical, safe and managed uses of surveillance. Privacy advocates have this weird habit of thinking they speak for everyone, which they don't.

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>and people are ok with that. All the propagandists said he was a Russian asset, as if even if that were true, it somehow negated the fact that we were now living under a surveillance state. >Snowden pointed and everyone looked at his finger. This is a great way of putting it.

> it somehow negated the fact that we were now living under a surveillance state. There's long been surveillance programs and also numerous laws outlining the responsibilities of telecom provides to enable wire tapping. There's really nothing new from Snowden besides the names of a bunch of people to go kill cause they're spies. FISA [1] isn't a private law either. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO https://en.…

There was something substantially new after Snowden though - prior to his leaks if you pointed out what the US government was likely up to people would laugh at the idea and ask for more sources. Afterwards they tended just accept it.

There was a big cultural shift from the default assumption in polite company being "They're spying on Middle Easterners" to "they're spying on everyone, everywhere" when talking about US spying.

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>Why is it everywhere I go management is always doing shady stuff. Well here's a cynical take on this - management is playing the business game at a higher level than you. "Shady stuff" is the natural outcome of profit motivation. Our society is fundamentally corrupt. It is designed to use the power of coercive force to protect the rights and possessions of the rich against the threat of violence by the poor. The onl…

I did verify with an attorney that since I wasn't involved and made sure the owner knew what was what, that I had no legal obligations to disclose.

What about your moral obligation?
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