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Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by _xiaz »

basementcat wrote: post #266
_xiaz wrote: post #187

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because this is not like any one of us having their comment removed on HN. This is like Paul Graham having their comment removed on HN. A more drastic analogy, this is like getting kicked out of your house by your kids. Altough I see that this one is flawed and exaggarated

Why should Paul Graham's comments not be downvoted or removed from HN?

Because he founded ycombinator, he should be allowed at least a little more leniency.

Of course if he goes around directly and explicitly bashing all sorts of minorities or doxxes some other users or commits any other actual big nono, sure remove him.

This is not what happened. GvR was impolite at worst, and impolite your founder shall be allowed to be

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by GaryNumanVevo »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #164
bitcharmer wrote: post #153

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It's funny how drama, toxicity and speech suppresion ensues as soon as you establish a CoC and let a bunch of SJWs enforce it. Every. Single. Time.

Similarly (un)funny how the technology behind blockchains, formal verification, and decentralization is ridiculed on the basis of inefficiency etc., Every. Single. Time. given such a governance structure would be so much harder for the legalese power trippers to regulatory capture...

What are you talking about? Were you around for the DAO moment a few years ago? Anyone who had a lot of crypto could powertrip and effectively veto any vote.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by em-bee »

zahlman wrote: post #208
threatofrain wrote: post #137

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The Python steering committee also threw the kitchen sink of accusations at him. IMO it speaks to character when you throw arguments like an adversarial lawyer. Not the kind of person you want to be around for work or life.

To be clear, the accusations in question came from the Code of Conduct Work Group; the Steering Council simply "acted on their recommendations". I don't expect any positive changes if said Work Group becomes directly responsible for such disciplinary actions.

is the steering council able to remove messages without a recommendation? i think that if two "independent" groups have to cooperate then that's better than one group being able to act alone. now the question is how independent are these groups really. i saw another comment drawing that into question.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by bitcharmer »

incognito124 wrote: post #232
bitcharmer wrote: post #155

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Everything these people touch turns to shit. Look at the movies industry or gaming.

Who are these people you're talking about?

Political activists disguised as software developers

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by skylurk »

gvanrossum wrote: post #227

This is Guido. I can assure you there was nothing nefarious. The incident is best described as moderation automation misfiring. The post was restored and a moderator has apologized for the mishap.

Thanks for clarifying! I'm surprised this is your first post here. If they do ever ban you over there, we'd be honoured to have you around ;)

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by hollerith »

bb88 wrote: post #146
Izkata wrote: post #138

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> On the right today is Idaho with their new book banning law prohibiting minors from accessing books with LGBTQ+ themes (regardless of whether there was any sex or not). This is misleading. It's against anything pornographic being made accessible in schools / to people under 18 years old, LGBT or otherwise. "Homosexuality" is mentioned only once: > 3. "Sexual conduct" means any act of masturbation, homosexuality, se…

There is nothing that in the law that allows the libraries to defend whether a book is harmful to minors once the challenge is made. So any challenged books have to go into the adults-only section. 26% of books challenged in 2023 had no sexual content. Since the library has their hands tied, those books must go into the adults only section. Including the books on Rosa Parks. https://idaholibraries.wildapricot.org/res…

I see you are not even trying to defend your previous assertion that Idaho is "prohibiting minors from accessing books with LGBTQ+ themes (regardless of whether there was any sex or not)". Instead you have sent a couple of new soldiers into the fight.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by DoctorOetker »

GaryNumanVevo wrote: post #272
DoctorOetker wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Similarly (un)funny how the technology behind blockchains, formal verification, and decentralization is ridiculed on the basis of inefficiency etc., Every. Single. Time. given such a governance structure would be so much harder for the legalese power trippers to regulatory capture...

What are you talking about? Were you around for the DAO moment a few years ago? Anyone who had a lot of crypto could powertrip and effectively veto any vote.

again, cryptography is not crypto, yes I remember the DAO, but no I didnt say buying democracy. I said using the technology behind blockchains.

Any rules of order or organizational structure could be formulated in say metamath as formal sentences and a UI built around it so that people can take steps and make decisions and prove they are entitled to do so.

a malicious actor should fail to be able to prove undeserved powers in a properly formulated formal system.

none of this censorship nonsense

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by tgma »

dekhn wrote: post #203
krick wrote: post #94

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That's pretty obvious. The question was, who are these people, specifically, and why they were chosen and given that much power. I mean, I can see the names, but while I don't have to be told who Tim Peters or Guido van Rossum are, I have no clue who these guys are and what their actual contributions are.

Gregory P. Smith Emily Morehouse Barry Warsaw Thomas Wouter I've worked with gps and twouter before at Google; they were two of the leaders of the python ecosystem. twouter is a highly technically skilled contributor- when I found a 2 bugs in the Python runtime, he was the person who helped me fix them (bug 1: RPC calls from C++ to Python delivered during interpreter shutdown caused crash, bug 2: importing the same l…

That's what happens when Googlers have power these days. They are so used to censorship being forced down their throats at Google that it seems super normal for them to do it everywhere.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by RevEng »

It's wonderful seeing this three days later after Guido himself has come in to say that this was nothing nefarious and more of an automation mishap. Yet here stands dozens of comments from people crying about how code of conduct is ruining the world and the PSF and SC should be dismantled.

As is often the case, there is usually more to the story and we would be better off learning what really happened instead of immediately jumping to conclusions and then blaming people based on those conclusions. Otherwise we look rather silly when it ends up that it was all just a mistake and we risk ruining a good thing by our rash judgements.

Re: A post by Guido van Rossum removed for violating Python community guidelines

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Post by fivestones »

xigoi wrote: post #175
gaganyaan wrote: post #173

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They probably mean the poem at the bottom here: https://www.python.org/downloads/release/python-3120/ Under "And now for something completely different"

Ah. That’s really inappropriate for a technical document.

It seems like the point is, you can see the same issue in very different ways. Did you read it from the bottom to the top? I was cringing until I got to the end and found the message to “Now read it bottom to top”. Still not saying it belongs in a technical document but it felt way less abrasive after reading it both directions.
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