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Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by deelowe »

kristopolous wrote: post #236
deelowe wrote: post #136

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Microsoft as a company is extremely myopic. Budgets are scrutinized down to the penny every few months at very senior levels. This drives a culture of immediacy. Wine was a threat until Microsoft realized everyone in tech had moved to service based business models (aka "cloud"). Only afterwards, did they "realize" Linux as a threat to their long term viability no longer mattered.

They finally started to admit where they're losers and stop trying to fight those battles. Dumping endless piles of cash into projects nobody cares about and pretending like you're the dominant player when you control some dwindling 2% of the market is stupid and more companies should learn that lesson

I think it's more because individual pc instances literally doesn't matter anymore. Operating systems and programming languages which lock you into them are irrelevant from a revenue standpoint.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by parineum »

paranoidrobot wrote: post #199
Kye wrote: post #116

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For historical context: this was before the conclusion of the antitrust case that led Microsoft to start softening its stance toward open source. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor... . This was the same year Antitrust came out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antitrust_(film) Any support for open source or cross-platform stuff was a bulwark against claims of monopoly abuse, but none of it wor…

> Nowadays it sounds like .NET Core + third-party GUI libraries is the way to go. For reference for those unfamiliar with the terms: .NET Core was the name given to the cross-platform fork of the .NET runtime. It was forked out of .NET 4.x and dropped support for a lot of things in the first versions. It ran on various distributions of Linux and MacOS. At the same time there were forks of other libraries/frameworks i…

Among the other small nits in your otherwise concise post... the windows only versions of .NET (1-4) were known as .NET Framework. So, Framework is the only windows only version, followed by Core being a limited feature set but cross platform and then .NET 5 (no suffix) being a full featured version that is cross platform.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by TillE »

ozim wrote: post #178
mdasen wrote: post #160

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You can add add Microsoft's repo to install it on Debian: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/install/linux-... . Does Debian require packages to work on all of its architectures? If so, that could be the issue. .NET Core only supports x86, x64, and Arm64 (I think Arm32 has been discontinued and RISC-V is experimental at this point). It's possible that they object to .NET Core having certain license restric…

I would say it is .Net Foundation job to prepare and submit the package not Debian maintainers.

That's not how Linux distros work. The OS maintainers make their own packages.

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by troad »

zakki wrote: post #213
BeetleB wrote: post #183

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You may want to look at F#. Because it's .NET you have a large list of libraries you can use

For a beginner, high school but zero experience in programming, which one easier to learn, C# or F#?

Definitely C#. You’ll find tons more resources. F# is fantastic, but it’s not a good *first* programming language.

A lot of what you’ll learn when you first learn programming is going to be applicable in any language though. Once you’re comfortable with C#, and can understand the difference between imperative, object-oriented, and functional programming, you’ll be in a good place to check out F# (or any other language, really).

Good luck with your learning!

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by hilux »

> We are happy to announce that the WineHQ organization will be taking over as the stewards of the Mono Project

I'm a little out-of-the-loop here.

Does this announcement mean that Microsoft used to fund developers to work on this project, and now will cut that funding?

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by uncanneyvalley »

prewett wrote: post #246
School-Cotton wrote: post #196

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> English does have distinct words for the two connotations of free--"liberal" and "gratuitous". Sorry but no it doesn’t. These words have the other meanings you mentioned, but they don’t include either of the meanings of “free”. If you said you were giving away “gratuitous software”, native English speakers wouldn’t know what you were talking about. The only way to understand it would be to realize that those words…

"Gratuitous software" would be excessive and unnecessary software. Which I think a lot of commercial (particularly "news") websites qualify for, and "modern" websites in general. NPM makes it easy to just install something, which requires all kinds of other things, which duplicate each other, etc. Strangely enough, I think the LaTex distribution qualifies, too. I tried to install it recently, and it wanted 1 GB of di…

Matryoshka virtualization

Re: Microsoft donates the Mono Project to the Wine team

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Post by JetSpiegel »

fortran77 wrote: post #258
deelowe wrote: post #136

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Microsoft as a company is extremely myopic. Budgets are scrutinized down to the penny every few months at very senior levels. This drives a culture of immediacy. Wine was a threat until Microsoft realized everyone in tech had moved to service based business models (aka "cloud"). Only afterwards, did they "realize" Linux as a threat to their long term viability no longer mattered.

And that's why they have a $3.08 trillion market cap

The aircraft carrier will hit the shallows, but that massive inertia can "carry" it for decades without any new thrust.

Remember when Microsoft was able to fight off the Web with piss-poor Internet Explorer? Until it didn't.

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